The 2008 Presidential Campaign: What Happened and Why?
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I don't think anybody would be likely to sit through the same broadcast twice, so in terms of new content they're equal. Rachel Maddow is MSNBC's highest-rated show ever, with Olbermann close behind, so it's no surprise they run each of them twice.
If there's political news, we usually watch Rachel Maddow for an hour. She's wry and intelligent and easy to watch. Matthews is a strange guy and has a sexist streak a mile wide, and Olbermann is fun to watch when something angering is going on but has a tendency to be full of himself. Sometimes I suspect that he thinks he's the second coming of Edward R. Murrow.
Rachel doesn't shout at people. Nor do they shout at her; she's quite capable of delivering a devastating argument with a pleasant smile on her face.
I should say that none of these shows are anything but analysis as entertainment, nor do they pretend to be.
If there's political news, we usually watch Rachel Maddow for an hour. She's wry and intelligent and easy to watch. Matthews is a strange guy and has a sexist streak a mile wide, and Olbermann is fun to watch when something angering is going on but has a tendency to be full of himself. Sometimes I suspect that he thinks he's the second coming of Edward R. Murrow.
Rachel doesn't shout at people. Nor do they shout at her; she's quite capable of delivering a devastating argument with a pleasant smile on her face.
I should say that none of these shows are anything but analysis as entertainment, nor do they pretend to be.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
First of all, It's not Hannity's show, it's Hannity and Colmes, who does just a fine job of spouting off liberal talking points.
And Oreilly is not conservative, or I'd agree with him a lot more.
And neither of thier shows are "news" so they are in fact completely irrelivant to this discussion.
But, this discussion is pointless... you all can't stand that conservatives actually have a place to get undistorted news.
Hey, if Obama gets elected, you can shut them all up for good!
And Oreilly is not conservative, or I'd agree with him a lot more.
And neither of thier shows are "news" so they are in fact completely irrelivant to this discussion.
But, this discussion is pointless... you all can't stand that conservatives actually have a place to get undistorted news.
Hey, if Obama gets elected, you can shut them all up for good!
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Right. I guess I was getting at a different point - the number of hours per day a liberal or conservative perspective is aired. IOW, more voters are likely exposed to a perspective that is broadcast for 30 hours per week, as opposed to a perspective that is broadcast during a narrower window of 15 hours per week. That's all I was saying. Not a huge point.Primula Baggins wrote:I don't think anybody would be likely to sit through the same broadcast twice.
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No matter how you shake my core
'Cause my roots, they run deep, oh
When, when the fire's at my feet again
And the vultures all start circling
They're whispering, "You're out of time,"
But still I rise
This is no mistake, no accident
When you think the final nail is in, think again
Don't be surprised, I will still rise
Oh, you will see me thrive
Can't write my story
I'm beyond the archetype
I won't just conform
No matter how you shake my core
'Cause my roots, they run deep, oh
When, when the fire's at my feet again
And the vultures all start circling
They're whispering, "You're out of time,"
But still I rise
This is no mistake, no accident
When you think the final nail is in, think again
Don't be surprised, I will still rise
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I don't get news from TV at all unless there's something visual about it that I want to see. When I'm looking for hard information, it's infuriating to sit through the time-wasting puff pieces and the endless commercials, while being "teased" for the story I want for twenty minutes or more before they deign to run it.
I like what NPR is turning into: an Internet-based news source where you can listen only to the stories you're interested in, or even download them onto your iPod. I'd bet that's where video news is going, too.
Edit: Hal, has someone told you Obama's going to censor the media if he wins?
I like what NPR is turning into: an Internet-based news source where you can listen only to the stories you're interested in, or even download them onto your iPod. I'd bet that's where video news is going, too.
Edit: Hal, has someone told you Obama's going to censor the media if he wins?
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
You aren't the first to spout this or something similar off and I've got to wonder where this idea even comes from. Can you tell me? Or is it just some sort of emotional, late-election-cycle response to the opposing candidate?halplm wrote: Hey, if Obama gets elected, you can shut them all up for good!
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Hannity and Colmes???????
Colmes might as well be an emasculated eunech for all of his ability and gravitas on that show. If they titled it properly it would be
HANNITY & colmes
and that size font is only half of what it should be.
Colmes might as well be an emasculated eunech for all of his ability and gravitas on that show. If they titled it properly it would be
HANNITY & colmes
and that size font is only half of what it should be.
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I really miss getting to watch Countdown and I'm also sad I'm missing Maddow's new show. I always liked her as a commentator on Countdown. Stupid sky (our cable provider) only has Fox News, CNN International, and CNBC in regards to American news channels. Why the heck they chose CNBC over MSNBC is beyond me.Primula Baggins wrote:If there's political news, we usually watch Rachel Maddow for an hour.
I can watch Olbermann and Maddow on MSNBC's website, but the show is broken down into segments so I'm not sure if I'm getting it all, plus the shows are posted online a week after they air. By that point it's a bit late to be watching them.
halplm wrote:And Oreilly is not conservative
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Mods, how much longer is hal going to be allowed to make blanket statements such as "you all can't stand that conservatives actually have a place to get undistorted news" and others I pointed out in a post yesterday in the other thread? It's getting really frustrating being painted with such a broad, false brush.
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I think there's been talk of reinstating the Fairness Doctrine, which would mean radio stations couldn't run right-wing opinion shows all day without providing equal time to the "other side." This is seen as an attempt to muzzle right-wing opinion in broadcasting. Nancy Pelosi is one Democrat who favors it.
Obama does not favor restoring the Fairness Doctrine. Link
Obama does not favor restoring the Fairness Doctrine. Link
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
Eek. Glad he doesn't. That thing sounds awful.Primula Baggins wrote:Obama does not favor restoring the Fairness Doctrine. Link
(As a side note, it intrigues me that it's seen as an anti-Republicans thing, as if such a thing couldn't oh-so-easily be turned against just about anybody in the future. Short-sighted.)
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Just how profitable is the income redistribution scheme in Alaska? You know - the one where Governor Palin fought for higher taxes on some corporations, collects the money because they are making just too darn much, and then gives it to the citizens of Alaska because they do not have as much.
Some would call that spread the wealth.
Some would call that income redistribution.
Some would call that socialism.
Sarah Palin called it on her 2006 & 2007 income tax returns to the tune of $5,522.00. That is money made by corporations, taxed and siezed by the Alaska state government, and then redistributed to the people of Alaska in terms of a check.
Some would call that spread the wealth.
Some would call that income redistribution.
Some would call that socialism.
Sarah Palin called it on her 2006 & 2007 income tax returns to the tune of $5,522.00. That is money made by corporations, taxed and siezed by the Alaska state government, and then redistributed to the people of Alaska in terms of a check.
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Holby - did you ever hear of Ed Schultz of Air America? He is a Limbaugh sound alike with almost the same voice. He hunts and fishes and lives up somewhere in North Dakota or Montana. And he is a liberal democrat. He could give Limbaugh a good run for his money.
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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers
The Fairness Doctrine is one of those things that sounds good in theory but is terrible in practice, isn't it?
One of the things it does is, by its very existence, give equal weight to opposing views. Anyone who has ever been in a court room will know that's not always a good thing.
I don't, as a rule, watch much TV, particularly American TV. I honestly could not BEAR, really could not BEAR my brief exposure to Fox News. Not so much for its obvious bias, because one can set bias aside, but because it is so incredibly DUMB. I don't like to come across as anti-American, because god knows I'm not, but you guys are not at all well served by your TV news. It is really mostly "infotainment" and it turns real news into meaningless drivel by giving the latest info on Britney Spears the same coverage as the invasion of Iraq.
I believe I am very, very fortunate to have CBC radio. It is my main "MSM' source.
One of the things it does is, by its very existence, give equal weight to opposing views. Anyone who has ever been in a court room will know that's not always a good thing.
I don't, as a rule, watch much TV, particularly American TV. I honestly could not BEAR, really could not BEAR my brief exposure to Fox News. Not so much for its obvious bias, because one can set bias aside, but because it is so incredibly DUMB. I don't like to come across as anti-American, because god knows I'm not, but you guys are not at all well served by your TV news. It is really mostly "infotainment" and it turns real news into meaningless drivel by giving the latest info on Britney Spears the same coverage as the invasion of Iraq.
I believe I am very, very fortunate to have CBC radio. It is my main "MSM' source.
Dig deeper.
I'd rather not get into this debate here, but the idea of the government forcing any person to say things they may not believe is extremely distasteful to me and, while I am no lawyer, also sounds pretty damn unconstitutional.
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