Trump Charged With 37 counts of Espionage, Obstruction and related crimes

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I don't think it's so remarkable. It's my guess that Trump thought he wouldn't be removed from office and didn't plan to vacate. When he realized (at a late date) he was going to have to leave the White house it was probably helter skelter and everything got thrown in boxes. If what is reported is accurate, he often took items back to his dining room and didn't return them. What surprises me is that there isn't someone from archives/some government agency assisting with the packing or checking on the return of documents. Or, perhaps there was/is supposed to be and he would have one of his infamous hissy fits or he conveniently fired them.
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I'm guessing that both Trump and Cannon are throwing some ketchup around over this.

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Of interest is the fact that it is not going to be the same panel that decided the stay motion, and there is no guarantee that the oral argument will be promptly scheduled, since that is left to the discretion of the new panel. Also, they split the difference between the briefing schedule asked for by the DoJ and the briefing schedule requested by Trump.
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One of the items whose description was accidentally published on the docket last night is:

"Printed email between Head Baseball Coach at U.S. Air Force Academy and White House".

It's in the category of legal documents. I wonder what that's about.
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Meanwhile, from the FOIA king.

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Just yesterday the Dept. of Justice complained in a court filing that Leopold is a "FOIA terrorist."
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I almost said, "from the FOIA terrorist" (with a winky face) but I thought better of it.
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You know, at this point, they should probably just give Leopold what he wants when he asks. Clearly the guy has mastered his FOIA techniques. There's no point in stonewalling. If he wants, he gets. Legally.
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Multiple outlets reported last night that the Department of Justice told Trump's team that they believe Trump still possesses government documents that he shouldn't. This apparently led to dissension among Trump's lawyers, some of whom advised cooperating with DOJ and others who think DOJ is bluffing.

- - - - - - - - - -
Also:

August
TRUMP LAWYERS: The Dept. of Justice seized Trump's personal documents.

DOJ: Our filter team has already separated out the personal documents and we'd like to return them to Trump now.

JUDGE CANNON: Let's not rush into anything, DOJ; you hold onto those for now.

Also JUDGE CANNON: Because DOJ is in possession of Trump's personal documents, I order a Special Master.

October
SPECIAL MASTER: Both DOJ and Trump agree that the personal documents can be returned to him, so there's no need for me to review them.

JUDGE CANNON: I order DOJ to return those personal documents to Trump.

So why was a Special Master needed?
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N.E. Brigand wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:33 pm So why was a Special Master needed?
To drag out the process until - hopefully - after November.
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N.E. Brigand wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:26 pm The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a long story about one Inna Yashchyshyn who, posing as an heiress named "Anna de Rothschild," got extensive access to Mar-a-Lago in 2021.
Canadian media are reporting that Yaschcyshyn's former business partner is one three people shot and killed in a resort near Montreal, and that there were three shooters who fled in an SUV. (I guess there were no buildings in the area tall enough to accidentally fall from.)

Edited to note that subsequent reports indicate the victims survived the shooting.
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If you made shit like this up, people would say you were crazy.

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Or,
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:55 pm If you made shit like this up, people would say you were crazy.

Isn't that... blackmail?
Reportedly.🤔
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Sooo wish they could lock him up!! :x
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RoseMorninStar wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:42 pm Isn't that... blackmail?
Reportedly.🤔
I think I would characterize it more as "proposed extortion." But that is semantics. It's mostly relevant in showing Trump's awareness that he was in possession of documents that he was not legally entitled to have.
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“People made [Bobb] the fall guy — or fall gal, for what it’s worth — and it’s wrong,” the source said. “Yes, she signed the declaration. No one disputes that. But what she signed is technically accurate. ... The people who told her to sign it should know better.”
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