That's true. You can say a lot of bad things about the Bakshi film, but his animated Nazgûl certainly had a scary way of moving; going from decrepit old men one minute to hyperlimber attackers the next.Passdagas the Brown wrote:ETA: I recently watched something online (cannot remember where) that featured PJ talking about LOTR (I believe it was released earlier this spring). In it, PJ also talks about how he wanted to do the Nazgûl in CG for LOTR, but it was too expensive. His rationale was that only CG could capture the sort of creepy movements he wanted to give them. I agree. The black riders were the least convincing things about those films, IMO, and could have benefited from at least some CG augmentation.
Er, I thought we already had that explanation...You know, the "that little sh!t cut my arm off!" motivation...Dave_LF wrote:Film 2 begins with an explanation for why Azog is after Thorin, and it is related to Azinulbizar.
Is it confirmed or hinted in the book that there will be another explanation somewhere as to why the Azog-Thorin chase?Passdagas the Brown wrote: My guess is that Azog will seize Thrain, who Balin tells us in AUJ was either "captured or killed." He will torture him, and demand that Thror hand over his ring of power (and so it will be clear that Azog is already working for Sauron). Thror, under pressure, will tell him that Thorin has it. He will also tell Azog that Thorin will try to take back Erebor. This is probably what is behind Gandalf's "who did you tell?" line in AUJ. Also, at the end of AUJ Azog tells Thorin, in orc-speech, that his father "smelled of fear," not his grandfather. So this will certainly come up.
Well I loved the orc designs from LotR. To me, they didn't really looked fake. Most of them. Gothmog did look fake but only in close ups.Passdagas the Brown wrote:I actually agree with him about CG orcs, and never understood what LOTR film fans loved so much about the orcs in those films (IMO, they mostly looked like guys in Halloween masks...). It's just that when you use thousands of CG goblins, on A CG background, and have them get dispatched as if they were pin balls, they look really fake.
)Have you forgotten about that "Orc woman" interview by Manu in New Ideas magazine ? That's got to be the motivation!Passdagas the Brown wrote:Er, I thought we already had that explanation...You know, the "that little sh!t cut my arm off!" motivation...Dave_LF wrote:Film 2 begins with an explanation for why Azog is after Thorin, and it is related to Azinulbizar.
My guess is that Azog will seize Thrain, who Balin tells us in AUJ was either "captured or killed." He will torture him, and demand that Thror hand over his ring of power (and so it will be clear that Azog is already working for Sauron). Thror, under pressure, will tell him that Thorin has it. He will also tell Azog that Thorin will try to take back Erebor. This is probably what is behind Gandalf's "who did you tell?" line in AUJ. Also, at the end of AUJ Azog tells Thorin, in orc-speech, that his father "smelled of fear," not his grandfather. So this will certainly come up.
I would have much preferred that DoS start with an explanation of why the other dwarves (Dain, etc) refused to help regain Erebor, but maybe that's something we'll get in TABA as a way of setting up Dain's arrival...
I mean, I really don't care for ANOTHER reason why Azog, who should be dead, is going after Thorin...Wasted screentime, IMO.
I felt that one scene did add up to the drama. Putting them near a cliff rather than at the centre of the forest.Dave_LF wrote:The
one that got my own teeth grinding was toward the end where Jackson
said being stuck in burning trees with wargs and goblins at the bottom
is pretty dangerous, but he's always looking for ways to take it up
another notch, so he decided to put them at the edge of a cliff
too.
