Listening to ROTK: A Storm is Coming

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Hello! this is a continuation of a thread I began at TORC, and finished at B77. This time I have decided to heck with it, and am crossposting it here, at TORC, and B77. :)


That thread consisted of me posting an analysis of the track as heard on the CD, and also an analysis of the music that appeared in the film. Discussion was loosely based around it's use in the film, the use of Tolkien's languages, how it worked as an independent piece of music, as a soundtrack album, and the emotional response it triggers.

For TTT, the format will stay much the same; however, I will not be posting an analysis of the music as heard in the film, for two reasons:

1. Discussion would be chaotic, to say the least, as TTT (&ROTK) differ from FOTR in that the soundtrack albums are rearranged, and not in chronoogical order as FOTR was.

2. A fine study has been done of the music in TTT, but not by me. The interested could click here. :D


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The soundtrack for The Two Towers was released on December 10th, 2002; it included 72 minutes out of more than three hours of music composed for the film. A complete release of the score is expected to arrive sometime this year. :D


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0:00–Quiet strings play variations on the Moria/Darrowdelf/Cadahras music as we see first the Newline Logo, then the Newline Title, then...
0:25–the Wingnut title.
0:32–The first phrase of the Ring Theme plays over the title, The Lord of the Rings.
0:42–The Ring Theme continues, with rising horns beneath, as we pan over the Misty Mountains
0:50–Strings take up another variation on the Moria music as we continue to sweep over the peaks of the mountains. We start to hear Gandalf's voice and the rumble of the Balrog. As the camera begins moving straight toward the wall of one peak, Gandalf voice becomes clearer.
1:43 – The music makes a dramatic switch to pounding music as we move through the wall of the mountain and to see Gandalf facing down the Balrog on the Bridge of Khazâd-dûm.
1:50 – Gandalf clashes his staff onto the rock of the bridge.
1:58 – Sustained brassy notes are heard as the bridge collapses and the Balrog falls into the depths of Moria.
2:11 – The sustained notes give way into a low soft note as the relieved Gandalf turns to walk away. But the whip comes up to snap around his ankle...
2:14 – ...and he tumbles into the chasm, grabbing the ledge as he falls. The Fellowship is startled and Frodo tries to run to him but is stopped by Boromir. Low brass notes descend down, down, down...
2:30 – ...into a last low, sustained note........... "Fly, you fools!" (The music from 2:11 - 2:30 is the same as the music heard for this scene in FOTR. )
2:32 – Mettana!
2:32–Choir I calls out the challenge, "To the death!" (not heard in the movie). Four quick, brassy descending notes blare out and we're off into pounding music accompanied by a low, chanting chorus (Choir II) as Gandalf falls after the Balrog.
2:35 – Choir II: katabrikihu tanakhi uduhu bin-nât aznân tarsisi Bazar gurd! satf agânî sulluzu zatablugi tarsisi! tarsisi! - till 2:45
2:45 – Choir I chimes in with more prominent, powerful singing. (I believe Choir II continues to chant while Choir I sings through 2:45 - 3:32 but it's hard to tell.) Glamdring is falling before Gandalf but he quickly catches up with the sword, grabs it and descends on the Balrog.
2:45–Choir I: irkat-lukhud ma ulfat-atam ma atam ulfat-atam ulfat-atam ulfat-atam ulfat-atam zatagrafizu - till 2:59
2:59 – Choir II is back. The fight gets personal as Gandalf begins hacking away at the Balrog, both still falling rapidly.
2:59 – Choir II: zatagrafizu gurd! zatablugi zatablugi sulluzu ulfat-atam bin-nât tarsisi! tarsisi! - till 3:07
3:07 – The brass and Choir I echo each other in a descending phrase. The Balrog and Gandalf are bouncing off the walls and tumbling as they fall.
3:07 – Choir I: ma nîd uduhu
3:11 – The notes of the brass and Choir I begin ascending, higher and higher as Gandalf and the Balrog fall deeper and deeper until it climaxes into...
3:11 – Choir I: bin-nât aznân tarsi(si) Bazar udu agânî-furkh(în) sakhu gurd!
3:32 – ...a cessation of the pounding music and sub-chanting as Choir I sings a more lyrical 6/8 melody. The camera cuts to a dim shot of a cavern filled with water. Slowly a glow grows and we see the small-in-comparison, flaming Balrog fall from the ceiling.
3:32 – Choir I: Mettanna. Nurunna! An mauya mahtie.
3:41 – The choir shouts out it's last notes over some final pounding percussion as, from above, we see the Balrog fall with a flash into the water.
3:41–Mettana.
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  Irkat-lukhud ma  	No shaft of light
katabrikihu 	Can breach it
Ulfat-atam ma 	No breath of air
tanakhi uduhu 	Comes from it
bin-nât aznân tarsisi 	Only an endless dark rises
  	 
Bazar udu agânî-furkhîn 	Deep from the beginnings of the world.
Gurd! 	Have fear.
Ma nîd sakhu! 	Do not look down
Ma satf unkhai! 	Nor step too close
Atkât zatagrafizu 	The silence will take you.
Zatablugi sulluzu 	It will swallow you whole.

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Cuiva Olórin  	Awake Olórin
Nárendur 	Servant of fire
Tira nottolya 	Face your foe
Tulta tuolya 	Summon forth your strength
An mauya mahtie 	For you must fight
Ter oiomornie 	Through endless dark
Ter ondicilyar. 	Through chasms of stone.

Mettanna.
	To the end.
Nurunna! 	To the death!
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A brilliant introduction, the slowly building strings moving into the History Of The Ring theme, and then back into the Dwarven music as we glide over the Misty Mountains...

It is followed by a brassy passage, and then a reprise of the music heard in the first film as Gandalf falls.

On the album the choir calls out "Mettanna!" ("To the death!") after he falls, but it is not present in the film.

The next minute or so is some of the most violent music in the trilogy, two choirs, percussion, and massive brass underscore this battle of Maiar.

The cue climaxes on a more lyrical note as Gandalf and Balrog come out of the tunnel, and into the cavern, the orchestra falls away and the choir is alone, in a vast expanse. One of the better combinations of music and image in the film.
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Feel free to chime in, or at the very least, turn up the volume just a tad. :D


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Great to see this here TTBK. I like this piece, particularly as it musically recaps for us in the same way the the film recapped for us. I love how the Bridge of Khazad-dûm section is scored identically to the Fellowship version. It cements the images in place and makes it feel like a real memory, with sights, sounds and smells attached.

As usual I love learning the lyrics and their translations, even though in this case they are almost entirely David Salo's own invention as Tolkien's published Dwarvish is incredibly scant. If memory serves, the only complete sentence in Dwarvish that was ever published is "Buruk Khazâd, Khazâd ai-mênu" or "Axes of the Dwarves, the Dwarves are upon you". Hardly enough to extrapolate a language from. That said, it both feels and sound right to my uneducated ears so I'm willing to accept it as a "sub-creation" to use Tolkien's own words.

Presumably the second choir is meant to represent the voice of the Valar urging Olórin to complete his task. I never noticed that before and it adds another unsuspected layer to this piece if that is the intention. Very subtle.

Musically, the piece doesn't do a lot for me, but as a record of the battle it works very well. When I listen to this piece, I don't enjoy the music for its own sake, but rather allow it to replay the scenes visually in my mind which is equally enjoyable!

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Alatar wrote ....Musically, the piece doesn't do a lot for me, but as a record of the battle it works very well. When I listen to this piece, I don't enjoy the music for its own sake, but rather allow it to replay the scenes visually in my mind which is equally enjoyable!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Wow! I am suprised!

I absolutely, positively, love this piece. From the slow, sinuous, sensuous opening with the Ring theme transitioning into the male choir singing the theme from the Bridge of Khazâd Dum all the way into the bombastic finale ... the entire section is (for me) both moving and powerful ... and it never fails to trigger the visual opening to TTT.

Best opening sequence evah! :love:

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"Too many Fingolfins, not enough Sams."

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Thank you for posting this here, ttbk! I love the Foundations of Stone; it is definitely one of my favorite parts of the score for the whole trilogy.
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Ages ago on TORC I told TTBK I'd try to participate in these discussions, so now I'll try and make good on that promise.

I love the first part of the piece. It is slow and stately and vast and it is how Moria would sound if it were music. Also, I can still see the title coming on screen and it reminds me of seeing the film for the first time.

Although I am generally very partial to choir music, the pieces in this track do nothing for me. I can only really enjoy it while watching the film. Disonance doesn't really bother me, but it's too harsh and strident, especially with the percussion: very fitting with the visuals, but not pleasant to listen to.
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Thank you TTBK!! I love Foundations of Stone,( well there is not a lot I dislike on that CD :D ) I really enjoy the choir music in this track, my absolute favorite part of course being the "urging on" Gandalf bit, though I hear narendur rather than nurenna in that last bit...goes off to listen to it again! "To the end, servant of fire, you must fight, to the end..." Gulp.
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Hi Al! :D
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My take on the last track is pretty much the same as Sassy's. ;)
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0:00- a reflective, but optimistic version of the hobbit theme opens the track as Sam and Frodo eat lembas bread
0:26–A soft choir begins a slow melody that starts out a bit melancholy but then turns slightly menacing.
[this section is not in the film, where it (presumably) would have appeared is an unrelated string passage; there are also no known lyrics]
1:09–From above we see the Hobbits sleeping as high strings hold their note till the cymbalom joins them to begin the tentative premier of Gollum's new theme, the sneaky and jittery Stinker Theme. Gollum is creeping down the rock face towards the two Hobbits.
1:45 – The cymbalom fades into a moment of silence as Gollum reaches toward the sleepers and then....
1:47–an (exciting :D ) explosion of frantic strings and menacing brass as, having feigned sleep, they reach up to grab Gollum's outstretched hand and the fight is on. After much tussling and fussing, Gollum gets a hold of Sam by the neck and...
2:16–The music calms into a expectant sustained 'note' as Frodo introduces Gollum to Sting
2:21–The Stinker Theme creeps back in as Frodo makes a deal Gollum can't refuse and as the music fades, they come to an agreement -- to Sam's benefit.
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This track opens with a rendition of a theme that is, during TTT, sparsely used -- the hobbit/Shire theme. It won't reappear on the album until the penultimate track, and even in the film, it won't reappear until the (unreleased) moment as Merry tells Pippin that there "won't be a Shire to go back to". TTT's musical focus is on men. And Gollum/Sméagol.

Next is a choral piece (lyrics unknown) that doesn't appear in the film, probably intended for the scene where Frodo and Sam wander through the Emyn Muil, ut not quite the right length; so perhaps for a slightly different cut. Whatever the case, I like it.

And then we are introduced to a new theme for Gollum; to quote Doug Adams:
Douglas Adams wrote:The theme heard for Gollum in film one is the Pity of Gollum Theme. When Bilbo displays Gollum-like traits, this theme is either combined with the Shire music or played outright. The Pity theme appears through the majority of the Gollum scenes in TT, though varied and and twisted into all sorts of shapes. (As stated by others, Gollum also gets his cimbalom music in Two Towers, primarily to represent the side of him that is not piteous—-the side that is a greedy, murderous river Hobbit.)
The cimbalom is hammer dulcimer...the theme is a creeping, jittery composition...it sneaks, precious.

Then there is a frantic action passage for brass and strings. Very much in the mode used for The Watcher, and later for Shelob. (it reminds me of the harsher parts of his score for The Fly, which I heartily reccomend to anyone who has ears...in fact, go to Amazon now and listen to the sample from the first track. All of you. :poke: ) It's twice as long in the film.

The track closes with another rendition of Gollum's new, sneaky theme...



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I don't have much to say about this piece. I enjoy it and I always appreciate the choral sections. I'd like to know more about that, it sounds very Elvish so would lead me to think of Galadriels gifts. Is it played in the EE when Frodo and Sam discuss the rope and "Seasoning"? The addition of another theme to look out for is always enjoyable even though the "Stinker" theme is not very melodic. :)

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Note on the choral piece from 0:26 - 1:09.

This music is not in the movie but Camillu thought it might have been written for the scene where Frodo and Sam are lost on Emyn Muil. I played the soundtrack choral piece and that scene at the same time. It fits pretty well. In the beginning of the scene, the two Hobbits realize they're lost, hence the melancholy tone. Then, Sam smells something and Frodo realizes they're 'not alone' (hinting, of course, that Gollum is following them). It's during this section that the music gets menacing.
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I like that haunting choral part very much, I was rather intrigued to find it not used in the film... For the Gollum springing on to Sam and Frodo, at the moment I am suffering from "heard it too many times" syndrome; it might wear off eventually
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Is it played in the EE when Frodo and Sam discuss the rope and "Seasoning"?
Nope...that scene is underscored by "hobbity" strings as I recall; the choral section is probably just one of a few alternates that found their way to the CD.

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The Riders Of Rohan consists of three distinct musical compositions.

The first opens with low strings and brass, punctuated by two percussive beats, as the Three Hunters hide behind some rocks to avoid being spotted by the riders. This is followed by an increasingly complex rythmic passage for brass, strings, percussion, and woodwinds that builds and builds as they are surrounded, and cuts out suddenly as the riders halt.

A very effective piece of music in the film, non-thematic because the identity of the riders is unknown, but not overly foreboding either.


The second begins softly with ascending horns, then strings, as Gandalf prepares to leave the stables of Rohan...then, as Shadowfax gallops out, a full fledged rendition of The White Rider Theme, which is made up of "four ascending notes repeated, the fourth note becoming the first of the next repetition, while three descending chords are playing in harmony."[1]

Here we are introduced to the theme that will be associated with Gandalf and Shadowfax throughout the last two film's. Gandalf the Grey was "a mediator" accoding to Shore[2] "He's a facilitator. He's a character that moves the action and he's very fleeting. There isn't anything that's specifically tied to Gandalf the Grey because he's the one that moves between all the characters." Gandalf the White, however, has a horse. And when he rides that horse, this theme plays.

An oddity, is showcased here; because of the unchronological sequencing of the TTT album, this is not the first time the theme appeared in the film (that's in The White Rider), and it's really a weaker introduction...


The third, and final, passage begins slowly on strings, then the gentle melody of Éowyn's theme comes in, first on strings, then joined by woodwinds. It moves into The Rohan theme, on horns playing counterpoint to each other, as Théoden slowly stands, then, as he grasps his sword, the theme plays through a second time, this time for solo hardinger fiddle (with horns playing counter point again). It resolves uneasily though, with snarling brass, as Thedoen tries to kill Grima.


Éowyn's theme is one of my favorites in the score. Simple, but lovely...it's like a simpler cousin to the love theme from Ben-Hur. It's used to depict Éowyn's feelings of frustration and captivity; it's first appearance coming as she runs away from Wormtongue. (heard in The King Of The Golden Hall)


The Rohan theme is rather broadly associated with the people of Rohan; it's signature instrument is the hardinger fiddle.

It has it's second fullest statement here, as Thedoen recieves his sword, and his kingdom is revived. The only grander renditions are in the TTT end credits (essentially a concert arrangement of this cue, sans solo fiddle, and with a triumphant ending), and of course, in ROTK...



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I'm just amazed at the work you've put into this, ttbk!

What you describe is the music as it is heard in the movies? How does that compare to what we hear on the CDs? Was the music on the CDs compiled and recorded especially for the CD, that is, are the CD tracks truncated versions of parts of the movie soundtracks?

Éowyn's theme is also one of my favorites. It's so melancholy.
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Good to see you, Cerin. :)


I'm just looking at the CD tracks here. (for various reasons)

The CDs are the original score, as heard in the film (with a few exceptions, where we hear alternate versions, usually brought about because a change was made in the film during the editing process). However, the music is edited down quite a bit; in FOTR it all appeared in chronological order, but the latter two albums are constructed more like a lengthy suite. This track for example, has music from three different parts of the film.


Feel free to ask any more questions if that was unclear. (I know I kinda ramble...) :D

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Thanks, ttbk! I'm glad to know that you are working with the CD music, as that will make it easier to follow along.

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The Passage Of The Marshes opens with low brass and strings, creeping music consistent with the tone of the Ring company's journey so far, before moving into an aleatory string passage that occurs twice, the first time over the long shot of the marshes, the second as Frodo is lured into the water. (which is accompanied by a crescendo)

Perhaps the most interesting -- certainly the most unique -- part of the track was dialed out the film; the repeating bass phrase with the atmospheric muttering chorals (which, as Magpie notes, are reminiscent of Ligeti). In the film we still hear muttering voices, but it's closer to a sound effect.

The choir has the same effect as the eariler strings, an uneasy, and unmelodical, texture...


The track then moves into a lovely arrangement of the "Pity Of Gollum" theme, with promient violin, as Frodo tells Gollum that he was once Sméagol. It's worth noting at this juncture that ROTK (Gollum's flashback) starts out with a variation on this theme...

Gollum's "Stinker" theme returns on cimbalom over tympani to close the track.



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ttbk, when you refer to various themes, how do we know what the themes are? That is, is there someplace the composer has talked about and identified the themes, or is it just from listeners identifying which music goes with which character? (Sorry if that's a really dumb question.)
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No, it's a very good question. ;)

It's a combination of comments and writings from Shore and Doug Adams[1], and four years of work by fans. Magpie's Nest, for example, draws a lot on both interviews with the two, and lots and lots of listening by fans. The booklet that comes with the complete FOTR set is exhaustive (for the leitmotifs that appear in that film anyway), and mentions things that I've never seen fans pick up on...
or is it just from listeners identifying which music goes with which character?
It's probably closer to the truth to say that Shore is scoring ideas, and cultures, rather than characters. That's why there's a theme for both Gollum's pitiable side (which is also used when Bilbo is displaying Gollumish traits), and for his more muderous side...or, why there's a theme for Aragorn's Heroic's, but not an "Aragorn's Theme" that appears whenever he's onscreen in an approach closer to Star Wars.



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The booklet that comes with the complete FOTR set is exhaustive (for the leitmotifs that appear in that film anyway), and mentions things that I've never seen fans pick up on...
Thanks ttbk! What is 'the complete FOTR set' that you mention above? Would that be the extended edition DVD?
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Post by Voronwë the Faithful »

Cerin, ttbk is referring to the complete soundtrack of FOTR that was released on December 13 (you can see his title is a bit out of date). It includes, basically, every note that was recorded for the extended version of the film, with just a couple of small modifications, in two formats - on three CD's, and in 5.1 Surround Sound on one DVD.
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How interesting. Was this type of soundtrack released for each of the movies?
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The other two will be released over the course of (I believe) the next couple of years. I certainly intend to purchase all three, eventually, although I haven't gotten FOTR yet. I definitely think that these soundtracks were a hugely incredible achievement (at least equal to the films themselves, although of course it is impossible to separate the visuals from the music.

And to at least somewhat touch on the subject of this thread, let me just say again, ttbk and all of the other people that have participated in these discussions of the soundtracks, I really have enjoyed following your comments, though I haven't had anything to offer myself. I probably won't until you get to ROTK, which is the only soundtrack that I know fairly well and listen to fairly regularly. So please keep cranking along. :hug:
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