I just wonder how well the books hold up to the same scrutiny. So, what did you feel was badly handled in the books. What were their flaws?
All in good fun of course!
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Sam once inside Cirith Ungol and everything that follows is truly wonderful and it has some very deep moments. I just think Tolkien should have reduced the garrison substantially and found some other mechanism for Sam to succeed in entering rather than hundreds of orcs conveniently killing each other off so evenly.ToshoftheWuffingas wrote:
Sam storming the Tower of Cirith Ungol and finding the orcs have conveniently killed each other off stretches credulity too far too.
But that was one of my favorite parts in the book
The book is what it is, and I wouldn't change it. I accept what I've read in thread after thread over the years, that this kind of heroic quest story actually requires somewhat "flat" characters who stay the same throughout (no "arcs," no internal conflict). (Though the hobbits are fully rounded and do change, which may be why I love them best.)truehobbit wrote:I never get why people think Faramir is "cardboard" and why they believe one can only be good after an internal struggle.
Most amazing to have that come from you, Prim!![]()
Doesn't it mean that you expect everybody to be a bad person at the bottom if you can't believe they can be good easily?
The "easy nobility" is exactly what I love about him.
Yes, long before seeing the movie. It was the departure of a major character who changed and performed a noble deed—but it all happened off-scene. A more conventional writer would have used that, not tossed it off in backstory.Cerin wrote:Prim, you say that before seeing the movie you wished as a reader that the author had described Boromir's death?
They don't drive all of them into the water if I recall correctly.Alatar wrote:Aragorn and Glorfindel between them manage to drive all 9 into the Bruinen.
I can't disagree with that.Alatar wrote:Thats just off the top of my head. Like I said, I love the books, but lets not pretend they're perfect.
In as much as there's nothing perfect on this earth, it would indeed not make sense to pretend they were - but what you are doing, in fact, is to assume that your own criticisms represent real failings of the books, rather than just instances of your personal dislike, and that is just wrong.Like I said, I love the books, but lets not pretend they're perfect.
See, I find much of that modern ado about "arcs" and development just crap. I guess that's why there's so rarely a modern book that I like.I accept what I've read in thread after thread over the years, that this kind of heroic quest story actually requires somewhat "flat" characters who stay the same throughout (no "arcs," no internal conflict).