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Voronwë the Faithful wrote:
kzer_za wrote:Back on the topic of The Hobbit, I don't envy PJ & co. the prospect of making 13 different dwarves distinct characters, and I'm interested to see how they do it and if they're successful. Early on I was expecting them to cut out a few dwarves, and I wouldn't have blamed them if they did.
The Empire article certainly makes it sound like they are having a good time trying to do just that. Perhaps that will be the "Boromir" of these films.
It may also work. The filmmakers have a lot of arrows in their quiver there. As a writer, Tolkien really could work only with manner of speech and temperament, plus occasional snippets of description (which is why I think he was, um, hasty in going with thirteen Dwarves to begin with). Whereas PJ et al. have face, voice, manner of walking, clothing, height and weight—all kinds of characteristics that will always be there on screen to help the audience distinguish one Dwarf from another. Combined with what Tolkien already put on the page, it should be possible to keep them pretty distinct without going over the top.

This is not to say that PJ won't still go over the top at least some of the time.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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I see that the Hobbit Blog (the official site) now has the title of the first movie in the logo. It looks quite nice!

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I can't wait to see the reaction over on TORN! :twisted:
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I like them. Well, except maybe Dori's hair, it's pretty goofy. But I think it's good we'll get a diverse range of dwarf appearances rather than a bunch of Gimli variants. And I'm glad they're starting in light travelling gear rather than heavy armor as some were afraid PJ might do. The description of their personalities is interesting too:
These three brothers, all sons of the same mother, could not be more different from each other. Dori, the oldest, spends much of his time watching out for Ori, the youngest; making sure he's not caught a chill or got himself killed by Wargs or Goblins. Nobody quite knows what Nori gets up to most of the time, except that it's guaranteed to be dodgy and quite probably, illegal. Dori, Nori and Ori are intensely loyal to each other – and whilst they are perfectly happy fighting amongst themselves, woe-betide any anyone who means harm to one of these brothers.
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That is quite interesting!
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It is particularly interesting that Dori (I think) has a sword!
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I find it even more interesting that Ori has a book.
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You would! (A compliment, in case that isn't clear.)
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:D
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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I said this at TORC too, but I like it that you get the distinct impression that these guys are short and stout, even though they actually aren't. At first, I thought this was just because there is so much empty space above them in the picture. But after looking more closely, I can tell that the costumes and props have been specifically designed to influence your perception this way. So an old-fashioned combination of camera tricks and custom props--glad to see the team is sticking with these methods instead of doing everything digitally.
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Can someone unstretch the page, please?
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Which page? :scratch: This page is showing fine in Firefox.
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I think it's Voronwë's post with the Hobbit Blog logo. My sig is 600 pixels wide, our suggested limit for sigs and about as wide as lower-resolution computer screens can handle. One-off images can go wider since it only affects one page, but Voronwë may want to reduce this image a bit. (I'd do it, but I no longer have the software I used to use for this, and I gotta run.)
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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Or we can just keep posting, and this page will soon be the next page.

Er, or something like that.
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Is pleased with this first look, for all the reasons already mentioned. Kudos, PJ! 8)
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Primula Baggins wrote:I think it's Voronwë's post with the Hobbit Blog logo. My sig is 600 pixels wide, our suggested limit for sigs and about as wide as lower-resolution computer screens can handle. One-off images can go wider since it only affects one page, but Voronwë may want to reduce this image a bit. (I'd do it, but I no longer have the software I used to use for this, and I gotta run.)
That stinking Voronwë (we can't even tell if he's Steadfast or Faithful). Someone should report him to the big boss to be dealt with appropriately!

I fixed the image.
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He's really just a maverick and a danger to us all!
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BTW, if you click again on this version of the image posted at TORn it is massively enlarged for added detail!

http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/ ... nd-Ori.jpg

I noticed several posters there speculating that Ori's book is the Book of Marzabul...but it can't be, can it? That was written over a 5 year period entirely about Balin's expedition to Moria well after the Hobbit timeframe.
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Elentári wrote:I noticed several posters there speculating that Ori's book is the Book of Marzabul...but it can't be, can it? That was written over a 5 year period entirely about Balin's expedition to Moria well after the Hobbit timeframe.
In movieverse, it could be whatever they want it to be! :D The book in this picture and in Balin's tomb could simply be Ori's own chronicle of his experiences. Bilbo could even take his inspiration from it.
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