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I just heard that New Balance shoes are being co-opted as white supremist symbols, presumably for the "N" (for Nazi?) on the side.

Here's an article on it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... ncna684776
A white supremacist blogger and self-described internet troll has declared New Balance sneakers "the official shoes of White people" and encouraged his readers to buy them "so we will be able to recognize one another by our sportswear."
...because clearly you can't tell a person is white without checking their shoes.

My dilemma is that I've been wearing solid black New Balance shoes for over a decade now, because they actually fit my EEEE feet, and can pass for business shoes. There's an "N" on the side but you have to look hard to see it. Once I year I call up my shoe store and pay to have 2 pair shipped to me.

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narya wrote: It's time. What's a mostly-white-but-not-supremist to do?
Ignore the idiots.
Unless the shoe company comes out and proudly declares their shoes are the White Insecurist shoe of choice, I would just ignore any attempt to "supremicize" them.
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Hawaii is (understandably) upset that white supremacists have co-opted Hawaiian floral shirts. The artist who created Pepe the frog is upset (again, understandably) that they use his artwork and he has tried to sue. The Nazi scum have also appropriated the flag, Christianity, patriotism, and probably apple pie for their perverted use. We shouldn't give in to their abuses. I agree with elengil.
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RoseMorninStar wrote:The Nazi scum have also appropriated the flag, Christianity, patriotism, and probably apple pie for their perverted use.
And Viking/Norse stuff

I didn't know about Hawaiian shirts. That's an... interesting choice on their part.
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The Boogaloo boys co-opted Hawaiian shirts. It has something to do with the 1984 film, Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo and agitating for a race war.
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Because retailers don't want to sell stuff explicitly linked to white supremacy they tend to co-opt other things or use symbols which are so obscure most people don't notice. I wouldn't stop using or wearing something just because white supremacists have adopted it, because that gives them veto power over pretty much anything.
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Yes, ignore them. Idiots.
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Normally, I would agree, but with regard to Hawaiian shirts I must say that I would not wear one now.
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To be fair, I wouldn't have worn a Hawaiian shirt 'before' either. lol

Though it isn't just the shirt, there is more to the look than just that, it's the whole Hawaiian-shirt-but-also-wanna-be-military-tactical-gear look.
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I will say that, as an (until yesterday) bearded white guy with lockdown hair, I'm getting a bit of an appreciation for what it's like to live your life matching a description.
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The Hawaiian shirt thing is a cryin' shame. It's not a big deal around here as Hawaiian shirts look out-of-place with the exception of a themed party, but we all have Hawaiian garb from trips to Hawaii and I sure hope when/if we are able to return we can wear them without feeling like a Nazi thug.
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If it was disccovered in 1801 that outgoing President John Adams had taken bribes in exchange for pardons that he issued, do you think the Congress and Supreme Court would have treated those pardons as valid?
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My beloved as a fabulously lurid Hawaiian shirt gifted to him by our daughter when she came back from her Hawaiian holiday.

We will have to pry that shirt from his cold, dead hands if we want to confiscate it (but the, it doesn't have to same connotation in Oz as in the USA.

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36 hours left.
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Please let this still be funny on Thursday...

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I can honestly say cutting him off twitter was a godsend. For everyone. On the entire planet.
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IAW Rose!

Frelga, that is HYSTERICAL!!

Did you hear that Jack Kirby's son was outraged that some of the rioters had Captain America t-shirts or shields? :rage: Certainly don't blame him! https://ew.com/movies/jack-kirby-son-co ... n-america/

Chris Evans wasn't happy, either, nor was Garth Ennis, who was upset by people wearing the Punisher logo:
"I've said this before a couple of times, but no one actually wants to be the Punisher," Ennis said. "Nobody wants to pull three tours of duty in a combat zone with the last one going catastrophically wrong, come home with a head full of broken glass, see their families machine-gunned into bloody offal in front of their eyes, and then dedicate the rest of their lives to cold, bleak, heartless slaughter.

"The people wearing the logo in this context are kidding themselves, just like the police officers who wore it over the summer," he continued. "What they actually want is to wear an apparently scary symbol on a T-shirt, throw their weight around a bit, then go home to the wife and kids and resume their everyday life. They've thought no harder about the Punisher symbol than the halfwits I saw [on Wednesday], the ones waving the Stars & Stripes while invading the Capitol building."
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Mike DiCenzo: ANT-MAN - he's tasked with leading the members of Congress out of the fray. He shrinks down and lands in Mike Pence's hair to direct him and the others to safety. A photo of this goes viral, as people think the Debate Fly returned.
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CNN reports that Pres. Trump has decided not to pardon Julian Assange or Edward Snowden because Congressional Republicans let it be known that he'd be punished for doing so. Snowden says it's a shame that Trump has allowed himself to be "bullied" and that "they're going to vote to impeach him anyway". (Doesn't Snowden realize that Trump has already been impeached, and only ten Republicans voted for that?)

But some breaking news: the New York Times just repoted that Trump has pardoned his former campaign chair and White House adviser Steve Bannon, who is facing federal charges for fraud. I wonder if in the course of engaging in that activity, Bannon happened to violate any state laws.

Some people are suprised by this, because Bannon trashed Trump to some reporters.

On the other hand, Bannon appears to have destroyed text messages that might have incriminated Trump in the Russia scandal.

(Bannon was arrested at sea by U.S. Postal Police, on a Chinese bilionaire's yacht off the coast of Connecticut.)

Justin Amash: "It went from 'Mexico will pay for it!' to 'You will pay for it!' to 'You will pay Steve Bannon, and I will pardon him for defrauding you!'"

Update: Trump is apparently pardoning Elliott Broidy, the former RNC deputy finance chair who pleaded guilty to being an unregistered foreign agent for his work lobbying the U.S. Dept. of Justice to stop an investigation into a huge Malayasian fraud scheme.

The Washington Post says there may be close to 150 pardons issued.

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The Times has put together a list of every Twitter insult that Trump issued from 2015 to 2021.

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CNN reports that some Trump supporters expect the President to declare martial law imminently. Speaking of cults, I like Jane Coaston's comments here on QAnon, and how it "isn’t a political problem, and there is no real political solution."

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It's nauseating to me that Stephen Miller never got his comeuppance.
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WSJ
NEW: Trump has talked to associates in recent days about starting a new party after he leaves the White House.

He wants to call it the Patriot party.
Patriot Party was a socialist organization in 1960s-70s (Wikipedia).

Suddenly, McConnell is going to be all for impeachment and preventing Trump from running for office.
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