The Hall of Fire

the relevant example here isn't the little 12-volter in a conventional car sol, the people I know who are bothering to put in a battery array for storage are using boat batteries. They are indeed comparable to the little 12-volter of a conventional car. They're exactly the same size and look exactl...

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I have seen estimates from $25000 to the $45000 or so mentioned here. $45,000 would be quite high ... I've seen quotes that high for powering a McMansion with families of 5-6 and running, you know, six loads of laundry a week, but for a 3-bedroom house powering a family of 3-4, it should cost you l...

I can't disagree with you without seeming like an ignorant fool. I'm not trying to make people feel like ignorant fools. Really not! But maybe to incite people to google around and see what's really there. If you key in "solar power" your first twenty hits at least should be producers and...

Then lock the thread! I see no point in saying anything else. :rofl: Faramond, I'm sure that sol is not arguing that oil is the resource of the future! He is arguing that solar is not the resource of the present. I say this discussion is insane because we do all agree that the transition has to tak...

Irrelevant? I don't think so, Jny. If the issue is 'what do we do?', then getting the government completely out of it is one option, and to my mind the preferred one. Yes, subsidies of whatever sort distort the market. So end them. Or universalize them. I am going to resist attempts to turn the dis...

Thanks for that information, Alatar! You know, I think that kind of switch is a great idea, because when you tax the size of the car (correlate to the size of the engine) there is an underlying assumption that you are taxing the ability of the person to buy a larger car. There is ... political attit...

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Yes, sure ... it's probably limiting discussion at this point that we need to hew to the campaign topic. Let me find a good place for a split.

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Wow! this topic started four pages ago. With Ellie's permission I'm going to split where she returns to Picken's comments. Hang on.

For example, what has the environmental cost (in dollars) of the Alaska Pipeline been? I have no idea how one would begin to assign price tags. But then Jny may know the answer there. Jny? Well, there's quite a few models for evaluating this, all utilitarian. If we want to know the cost of fossil f...

vison, I can't wait. But first you have to rescue all those people from that sinking boat!

I think your assessment on this is a little unfair, Jn. The entire crux of your argument hinges on one thing: are the renewable techs feasible and practical soon? You say they are, some say they are. Unless I'm totally missing something, I don't see what that disagreement has to do with non-rationa...

Both Pollyanna and Machiavelli were pragmatists. Tell yourself whatever it takes to get through the night! There's a literary effort for you, vison, a conversation between Pollyanna and Machiavelli, in which they end up agreeing about everything. I had a friend in academia, many years ago <cough> de...

There is the Chomsky influence. Yes, he is persuasive, and calm, and rational......and wrong. He's like reading Spinoza, or Kant: the argument is so logical, so erudite, that you don't realize that you're being sold a bill of goods. And it's so tasty, because everyone, no matter how rational, has s...

You know, I've been listening for the past couple evenings to interviews with Noam Chomsky on YouTube, and this has been a fascinating venture. I'm ashamed to say that although I am broadly familiar with his ideas, and had heard him speak once at a conference at MIT, I have not read any of his books...

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