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Wow. I kind of want to show these to someone, but the only people who would be amused are already here!
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Dave, you don't happen to be bedridden.
How long does it take for Ai to generate these responses?
How long does it take for Ai to generate these responses?
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Seconds. Also, I've found some boundaries:
It's also very cool that it can explain its choices. It's been a longstanding problem in AI that you end up with a model that makes predictions, but there's no way for you or it to understand or describe why it does what it does. Along with the cat version of FOTR, I asked it to do another one where they're all different types of animals. In the process, it changed the ring to a golden collar. I figured that was simple; animals don't wear rings, but they can wear collars. But just for the heck of it, I asked it to explain its thinking, and reason #1 is actually surprisingly good (the others feel like it just keeps saying the same thing in slightly different ways):
ETA: It's just too much
Hidden text.
.It's also very cool that it can explain its choices. It's been a longstanding problem in AI that you end up with a model that makes predictions, but there's no way for you or it to understand or describe why it does what it does. Along with the cat version of FOTR, I asked it to do another one where they're all different types of animals. In the process, it changed the ring to a golden collar. I figured that was simple; animals don't wear rings, but they can wear collars. But just for the heck of it, I asked it to explain its thinking, and reason #1 is actually surprisingly good (the others feel like it just keeps saying the same thing in slightly different ways):
Hidden text.
.ETA: It's just too much
Hidden text.
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All in all, I'd say it is shockingly good at generating text from a prompt and will follow whatever proddings you give it (until you try to make it stop being so nice). But it is dangerously bad at explaining what something means, providing facts about a requested subject, or critiquing existing writing. In all these cases, it just... makes things up. I already shared the example where it confidently declared that this thread's title is a reference to a non-existent line from Julius Caesar ("Ai! Ai! A prince is come!"). In addition, I had it review an article I wrote for spelling and grammar errors, and it said that:
It must just be generating text that is shaped like the sort of response a person would expect to their prompt, without much regard for whether it is actually correct.
There is no sentence (or sentence fragment) like that anywhere in the article. Nor is there a different example of then/than confusion.In the introduction, there is a sentence fragment: "The article is really more about XAML's syntax and structure then any practical application of the XAML."
"then" should be corrected to "than" for proper comparison.
There is no "Attributes" section, and nowhere is the word "elements" misspelled in that or any other way.In the section "Attributes," the word "elements" is misspelled as "elemets."
It must just be generating text that is shaped like the sort of response a person would expect to their prompt, without much regard for whether it is actually correct.
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Quote on AI art from Hayao Miyazaki,
“I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it,” says the 81-year-old director. “I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. … I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.”
“I feel like we are nearing the end of times," he continues. "We humans are losing faith in ourselves.”
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I got curious and signed up on ChatGPT.
Here's my first interaction with it:
Here's my first interaction with it:
Hidden text.
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Okay, I just signed up too. I asked it what language it was programmed in (mostly Python), then asked about online resources for learning Gaelic. I got some info that may be useful, and will follow up. Then I asked "How are you?" in Gaelic, and it responded with "Fine thanks, and how are you?" followed by some more of which I understood maybe a half.
So this might actually turn out to be useful!
So this might actually turn out to be useful!
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I just had a long debate with it about changes made to The Silmarillion. I find that when challenged on things, it tends to make shit up in order to agree with you. Not impressed!
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Hidden text.
"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world."
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Based on this and some of Dave's interactions, I wonder if the First Law of Robotics is actually "Never disagree with a human".Voronwë the Faithful wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:43 pm I just had a long debate with it about changes made to The Silmarillion. I find that when challenged on things, it tends to make shit up in order to agree with you. Not impressed!
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That's exactly what it does. It predicts the most probable sequence of words that is related to the prompt.
And as the web fills with content that was generated by AI without regard for accuracy, the quality of each iteration will probably degrade
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So pre-GPT messageboard text could become the equivalent of low-background steel (I feel a bit like a bot right now in that I’m not sure if I’m making that up or read it somewhere before). we might be sitting on a goldmine here.
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Google apologizes for ‘missing the mark’ after Gemini generated racially diverse Nazis
I don't even know where to start with this one.
I don't even know where to start with this one.
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Now that I have more experience with it, it's a little easier to recognize that a bunch of its responses are just (extremely) wordy versions of "404 Not Found".
By far, its strongest use case is generating original text where a bit of absurdity is a feature rather than a bug. If you ask it to write Far Side cartoons, probably 1 in 20 is good enough to be the real thing. And Monty Python sketches are like shooting fish in a barrel:
By far, its strongest use case is generating original text where a bit of absurdity is a feature rather than a bug. If you ask it to write Far Side cartoons, probably 1 in 20 is good enough to be the real thing. And Monty Python sketches are like shooting fish in a barrel:
Hidden text.
The pieces don't all quite fit together perfectly, but "Have we consulted with the Department of Vegetable Linguistics?" and "we've secured the services of a particularly eloquent eggplant" are just comedy gold! . Enough that I double-checked to make sure they weren't actual lines lifted from some real sketch.
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Hang on, you can ask it to make a Far Side cartoon? Is there a way to get it to draw images?
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Not the free version (DALL-E can do that sort of thing), but it can invent and describe them.
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You know what would be a really cool experiment? Take a picture of you, ask AI to age it five or ten years, hang on to it, and see if it's accurate when the time comes.
Or, take a picture of you from ten years ago, ask AI to age it ten years and see how it did.
Or, take a picture of you from ten years ago, ask AI to age it ten years and see how it did.
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So here's me trying to use chatGPT to find out which version of the letter thorn is used in Æþelwulf/Æðelwulf's name:
How much do you think I can rely on this? I've read some people saying that it's highly suggestible based on user input. Did I really catch a mistake or did it revise its views based on my question?Me: What is the old english spelling of King Alfred's father?
ChatGPT: The Old English spelling of King Alfred's father's name is "Æthelwulf." He was the King of Wessex from 839 to 856 and the father of Alfred the Great, who succeeded him as King of Wessex.
Me: Are you sure about the "th"?
ChatGPT: My apologies for the confusion. In Old English, the name "Æthelwulf" is indeed spelled with "th," representing the voiceless dental fricative sound. So, yes, "Æthelwulf" is the correct Old English spelling of King Alfred's father's name.
Me: Do you know what the old english letter for the "th" sound is?
ChatGPT: Yes, in Old English, the letter used to represent the "th" sound (both voiced and voiceless) is called "thorn" and is written as "þ" for the voiceless dental fricative (/θ/) and "ð" for the voiced dental fricative (/ð/). So, in the name "Æthelwulf," the "th" is represented by the letter "þ."
Me: Can you find any old english documents where Æthelwulf is mentioned, with the original spelling?
ChatGPT: (long ramble saying what I want is probably not online, and encouraging me to visit archives and libraries with collections of Old English manuscripts)
Me: Did Æthelwulf's original name contain the voiced or unvoiced symbol for thorn?
ChatGPT: My apologies for any confusion. The original name of King Æthelwulf would have contained the letter "ð," which represents the voiced dental fricative sound (/ð/), not the unvoiced symbol "þ." So, the correct Old English spelling of his name would be "Æðelwulf." Thank you for catching that mistake.
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IMO, ChatGPT should not be used for fact-finding at all. It is not a search engine, and it does not have the power to look things up on the internet. As a first approximation, it relies on its "memory" to answer questions, and its memory is subject to all the same problems a person's is--the only difference is that GPT is not allowed to say "I don't recall" or "I think but I'm not entirely sure." At most use it to suggest possible research topics or sources.
And yes, it is extremely agreeable/suggestible and will often (always?) trust you over its training data if they disagree.
And yes, it is extremely agreeable/suggestible and will often (always?) trust you over its training data if they disagree.
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What Dave said. ChatGPT is a text generator. The text doesn't have to be correct. It should only be used if you already know the answer but don't want the bother of typing it.
However. Both Microsoft and Google now have LLM built into their search engines, and that can get you much better results, because it's allowed to refer to real websites and show you citations.
Google's Gemini pops up with the answer to your search query, and MS Copilot has various options for generating text in different modes.
However. Both Microsoft and Google now have LLM built into their search engines, and that can get you much better results, because it's allowed to refer to real websites and show you citations.
Google's Gemini pops up with the answer to your search query, and MS Copilot has various options for generating text in different modes.
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