The Russia Investigations and other Trump-related cases

[Frelga]

Was it really just an oversight? I wouldn't be surprised, given his history of hiring the best people, but... Really?

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[Sunsilver]

...and the lawyer who made you pay his full fee up front can't stop smiling."

Smart man!

[Voronwë the Faithful]

No fraud here!

[Voronwë the Faithful]

According to Jose Pagliery, Judge Engoron has issued a gag order on Donald Trump for posting a false personal attack on the judge's clerk, attorney Allison Greenfield.

(Apparently, Trump had deleted the post.)

[N.E. Brigand]

Adam Klasfeld has also posted about the gag order. It's an order on all parties not to make any comment on Engoron's staff. The judge said it follows upon "one of the defendants" making such a post, which was deleted on his order.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

Here is Klasfeld's article on the gag order.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

My question is whether the order applies to comments about Judge Engoron, who after all is court staff. If so, I would be surprised if Trump doesn't violate it.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

[Voronwë the Faithful]

Presumably, he is addressing the gag order.

[Impenitent]

I do hope a bit of levity isn't considered out of order in this thread.

[N.E. Brigand]

I do hope a bit of levity isn't considered out of order in this thread.

Not at all out of order, but I believe Ivanka Trump is not a defendant in this case and Jared Kushner never was.

While I think they're bad people, they apparently listen to good lawyers.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

I don't think it is so much listening to good lawyers as it is not being in the wrong place in the wrong time. Ivanka was dismissed as a defendant because her involvement with the Trump Organization all came before the time covered by the statute of limitations, and Jared was never involved with the Trump Organization, so far as I know. Both of them were conducting plenty of nefarious activities during the relevant time frame, just not activities related to this case. However, Ivanka is on the witness list for the AG's office, so she might need to testify.

Interestingly, had Trump done what every other president has ever done and completely divested himself from his business interests when he took office, his personal liability would have been much more limited than it is since he never did so.

[RoseMorninStar]

But the rules don't apply to him! (until they do).

[Voronwë the Faithful]

Trump did successfully get one case dismissed. But it was the lawsuit that he himself filed against Michael Cohen.

[N.E. Brigand]

Trump did successfully get one case dismissed. But it was the lawsuit that he himself filed against Michael Cohen.

Wow. I was writing but abandoned a post in the other thread in which I was arguing that guilty people have a moral duty to plead guilty.

And then Trump goes and does the right thing here, but it's a near certainty that he did it for the wrong reasons.

[N.E. Brigand]

I know former presidents are often called "President ___" as a courtesy, but is it really appropriate for him to call himself "President" in legal filings?

[River]

Trump did successfully get one case dismissed. But it was the lawsuit that he himself filed against Michael Cohen.

Wow. I was writing but abandoned a post in the other thread in which I was arguing that guilty people have a moral duty to plead guilty.

And then Trump goes and does the right thing here, but it's a near certainty that he did it for the wrong reasons.

Apparently there was a deposition scheduled Monday. It has been rescheduled so many times the judge was losing patience and refused an attempt to reschedule to accomodate one of Trump's campaign rallies. So he dropped the case. Without prejudice, so he can file again later.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

It was actually scheduled for this past Monday, and Trump got it rescheduled again by claiming that he needed to attend the fraud case in New York all of this week, and so could not do it any time this week. He then attended that case only for the first two and half days, flying back to Florida yesterday afternoon. Cohen's legal complained to the judge that Trump had lied, again, and lo and behold, Trump dismissed the case. Presumably, Cohen will do a motion for costs, though unfortunately he won't be able to be reimbursed for attorney's fees.

I know former presidents are often called "President ___" as a courtesy, but is it really appropriate for him to call himself "President" in legal filings?

No. I wouldn't be surprised if he has it in his contracts with his attorneys. There was one hearing when one of the attorneys (I think it was Lauro) referred to him as Mr. Trump and then quickly corrected himself.

[Voronwë the Faithful]

SMH

[N.E. Brigand]

Forbes reports that Trump Org. CFO Allen Weisselberg seemingly lied during his testimony about his knowledge of Trump's inflated apartment valuation.

Which is not surprising, since it appears that Trump is not yet halfway through bribing Weisselberg not to cooperate with authorities.

What interests me particularly is the statement that Forbes has relevant emails which the New York attorney general's office has not seen.