Yes, that is the idea.Cerin wrote:I think the idea there is that this was only done in the very beginning, but that after that, these creatures were able to breed. So that only Melkor would have had to be able to achieve that dastardly separation of fëa from the body, that gave rise to the first of these creatures.Alatar wrote:If we were to take the route of the "animated body", then I would argue that while Melkor might have been capable of that, Sauron would certainly not.
I agree. As I've already admitted, I excel at mental yoga.Alatar wrote:I see the thinking behind it, but I find it a stretch.
I should point out that my idea requires a radical rethinking of Morgoth's power. As Finrod states in the Athrabeth
Finrod was, of course, talking about Man's mortality, not the creation of the Orcs, but still, the point remains. For him to have had the ability to change the fate of a portion of the Children of Eru is unfathomable.But never even in the night have we believed that [Melkor] could prevail against the Children of Eru. This one he might cozen, or that one he might corrupt; but to change the doom of a whole people of the Children, to rob them of their inheritance; if he could do that in Eru's despite, then greater and more terrible is he by far than we guessed ...
Unless even the creation of the Orcs were part of Eru's plan.
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Elflover, I like your idea, and I think Tolkien would have liked it too.
The concept can withstand only so much mental gymnastics before it collapses upon itself.
