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Well, the Romans did. Maybe they got the idea from the men of Dale.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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I'd think the being eaten by a dragon thing would be the larger concern.
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You and your tedious focus on the fantasy aspects. Nobody ever writes about plumbing.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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These are some pretty amazing "HDR" photos of Hobbiton, taken by a new TORN poster, Logic 8482:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanchanat ... 086037006/
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Primula Baggins wrote:You and your tedious focus on the fantasy aspects. Nobody ever writes about plumbing.
Well, you'll get your wish with the Great Goblin's throne. :neutral:
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Oh, I was hoping that wasn't true. . . . :(
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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Hopefully it won't be as bad as we fear.
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PG-13 has limits regarding the scatalogical.
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I don't know to what you refer, but am afraid to ask.
Mornings wouldn't suck so badly if they came later in the day.
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Impenitent wrote:I don't know to what you refer, but am afraid to ask.
I know you haven't asked, but I am going to tell you anyway. :)

According to the Hobbit Visual Companion, the Great Goblin's throne doubles as a toilet. He is so lazy and overweight that he prefers to relieve himself without getting up...

What we don't know, however, is if PJ explicitly shows this "in action" so to speak...I will certainly be "relieved" if he doesn't...
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:nono: Yet another mental image to suppress.
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Shelob'sAppetite wrote:
Impenitent wrote:I don't know to what you refer, but am afraid to ask.
According to the Hobbit Visual Companion, the Great Goblin's throne doubles as a toilet. He is so lazy and overweight that he prefers to relieve himself without getting up...
The sad irony here is that some people addicted to slot machines have been known to do the same thing. I knew a guy whose upholstery business thrived for a time because of this. In the end the Casino installed chairs that could be cleaned rather than needing to be re-covered.
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SirDennis wrote:
Shelob'sAppetite wrote:
Impenitent wrote:I don't know to what you refer, but am afraid to ask.
According to the Hobbit Visual Companion, the Great Goblin's throne doubles as a toilet. He is so lazy and overweight that he prefers to relieve himself without getting up...
The sad irony here is that some people addicted to slot machines have been known to do the same thing. I knew a guy whose upholstery business thrived for a time because of this. In the end the Casino installed chairs that could be cleaned rather than needing to be re-covered.
I have heard of such things. So, one could say that this is not inconsistent with reality.

However, there's a world of difference between a guy at a Casino in the 21st century, and Tolkien's quietly humorous book, the Hobbit. In no universe should an adaptation of Tolkien include a character crapping into a custom-made throne-toilet. It is about as far from Tolkien as anything I can imagine.

Even moreso than this: :llama:
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LOTS (Lord of the Slots) also rendered LOTSlots. You saw it here first.
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Shelob'sAppetite wrote:
SirDennis wrote:
Shelob'sAppetite wrote: According to the Hobbit Visual Companion, the Great Goblin's throne doubles as a toilet. He is so lazy and overweight that he prefers to relieve himself without getting up...
The sad irony here is that some people addicted to slot machines have been known to do the same thing. I knew a guy whose upholstery business thrived for a time because of this. In the end the Casino installed chairs that could be cleaned rather than needing to be re-covered.
I have heard of such things. So, one could say that this is not inconsistent with reality.

However, there's a world of difference between a guy at a Casino in the 21st century, and Tolkien's quietly humorous book, the Hobbit. In no universe should an adaptation of Tolkien include a character crapping into a custom-made throne-toilet. It is about as far from Tolkien as anything I can imagine.

Even moreso than this: :llama:
Agree and disagree.

Modernization notwithstanding, You could draw similarities between Shelob's Lair and its accumulated years of filth and a Goblin throne immersed in self made piles of excrement. Sure that was from a darker Tolkien story, and the language was benign, but it was most certainly Tolkien.
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Holbytla wrote:
Shelob'sAppetite wrote:
SirDennis wrote: The sad irony here is that some people addicted to slot machines have been known to do the same thing. I knew a guy whose upholstery business thrived for a time because of this. In the end the Casino installed chairs that could be cleaned rather than needing to be re-covered.
I have heard of such things. So, one could say that this is not inconsistent with reality.

However, there's a world of difference between a guy at a Casino in the 21st century, and Tolkien's quietly humorous book, the Hobbit. In no universe should an adaptation of Tolkien include a character crapping into a custom-made throne-toilet. It is about as far from Tolkien as anything I can imagine.

Even moreso than this: :llama:
Agree and disagree.

Modernization notwithstanding, You could draw similarities between Shelob's Lair and its accumulated years of filth and a Goblin throne immersed in self made piles of excrement. Sure that was from a darker Tolkien story, and the language was benign, but it was most certainly Tolkien.
IMO, those are two very different things.

Shelob's lair is described as having accumulated layers of filth, but Tolkien doesn't dwell on it, or elaborate. No scenes of Frodo stepping in poodoo or anything. Nor does Tolkien talk about Shelob's gastrointestinal and bathroom-going habits.

The Goblin King toilet-throne, if featured, is unlike anything Tolkien would ever write about. It is gratuitous grotesquery, which Tolkien never engaged in, in neither the Hobbit, LOTR or any of his other writings.

It would be a PJism, plain and simple.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. :D
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Holbytla wrote:
Shelob'sAppetite wrote:
SirDennis wrote: The sad irony here is that some people addicted to slot machines have been known to do the same thing. I knew a guy whose upholstery business thrived for a time because of this. In the end the Casino installed chairs that could be cleaned rather than needing to be re-covered.
I have heard of such things. So, one could say that this is not inconsistent with reality.

However, there's a world of difference between a guy at a Casino in the 21st century, and Tolkien's quietly humorous book, the Hobbit. In no universe should an adaptation of Tolkien include a character crapping into a custom-made throne-toilet. It is about as far from Tolkien as anything I can imagine.

Even moreso than this: :llama:
Agree and disagree.

Modernization notwithstanding, You could draw similarities between Shelob's Lair and its accumulated years of filth and a Goblin throne immersed in self made piles of excrement. Sure that was from a darker Tolkien story, and the language was benign, but it was most certainly Tolkien.
Also, you say "the language was benign" in Tolkien's version. That is a crucial difference. Tolkien did not use language lightly. When interpreting his work, I believe getting the tone right is probably the most important - far moreso than maintaining characters and places exactly as they are in the book. And that involves capturing the essence of Tolkien's language. Peter fails on interpreting "tone" quite often, IMO, and a toilet-throne would put another notch in that belt...
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Tolkien could certainly have written about Goblin "filth" around the GG's throne as a way of emphasizing how corrupt a character he was, but he would never make (literal!) toilet-humor jokes about it.
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SA wrote:Tolkien did not use language lightly.
Such a simple statement, and yet it may well be the single most important thing that can be said in these discussions.
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