Tolkien Estate Sues New Line, The Hobbit Not Yet Threatened
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Vor, as I mentioned on TORC as well, the paragraph requesting declaratory relief does say "without prejudice to the rights of innocent parties." In other words, "we don't want to screw Saul Zaentz." In that case, I think, the Hobbit license would just go back up the chain, so to speak. Certainly New Line has the tactical option to try to sell them back to Zaentz and get something rather than nothing.
I believe that CA has abolished the law/equity distinction, right? In which case the court is free to reform the contract however it sees fit in the interests of justice.
However, I don't know if NY maintains the distinction or not, or what it means today (in VA the distinction is still pretty rigorous).
I believe that CA has abolished the law/equity distinction, right? In which case the court is free to reform the contract however it sees fit in the interests of justice.
However, I don't know if NY maintains the distinction or not, or what it means today (in VA the distinction is still pretty rigorous).
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Ah! Good catch (I only skimmed the Complaint). That does seem to be be a pretty strong indicator.solicitr wrote:Vor, as I mentioned on TORC as well, the paragraph requesting declaratory relief does say "without prejudice to the rights of innocent parties." In other words, "we don't want to screw Saul Zaentz." In that case, I think, the Hobbit license would just go back up the chain, so to speak. Certainly New Line has the tactical option to try to sell them back to Zaentz and get something rather than nothing.
Yes, that is true, but irrelevant since NY law prevails. That's always weird when a court of one jurisdiction has to enforce the laws of another.I believe that CA has abolished the law/equity distinction, right? In which case the court is free to reform the contract however it sees fit in the interests of justice.
Folks, sorry for all of the legalese. I'd be happy to try to answer any specific question that people are confused about (if I can).
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Well, most of our burning questions are probably unanswerable (yet), anyway.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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soli, I don't have an L.A. contact. I downloaded the Complaint from the L.A. Superior Court website. So far as I know, that is all that has been filed (yes, I paid the fee). What I sent to you was all that they had.
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Well, fair's fair; there's probably no lawyerese for "rosy-fingered Aurora."
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
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Sure there is!
That goddess or demigoddess (without necessarily imputing gender) at some times identified by the Latin name Aurora (without prejudice to other names which may be or at previous times have been applied in Greek nor to cognate gods/goddesses existing or formerly existing in the cultural mythologies of other cultures including, but not limited to, Persian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian, Thracian, and/or Celtic); characterised by 'fingers' (without hereby alleging that said god/goddess necessarily maintains at all or any times an anthropomorphic form) of a roseate color falling within the range of of electromagnetic wavelengths defined by the American Physical Institute as "red", without thereby alleging that the said god/goddess is possessed at any or all times of visibly identifiable color in the extremities (assuming without alleging that such extremities do or do not exist).
That goddess or demigoddess (without necessarily imputing gender) at some times identified by the Latin name Aurora (without prejudice to other names which may be or at previous times have been applied in Greek nor to cognate gods/goddesses existing or formerly existing in the cultural mythologies of other cultures including, but not limited to, Persian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian, Thracian, and/or Celtic); characterised by 'fingers' (without hereby alleging that said god/goddess necessarily maintains at all or any times an anthropomorphic form) of a roseate color falling within the range of of electromagnetic wavelengths defined by the American Physical Institute as "red", without thereby alleging that the said god/goddess is possessed at any or all times of visibly identifiable color in the extremities (assuming without alleging that such extremities do or do not exist).
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“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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It's interesting: CRT and the Estate might now benefit from having refrained from public criticism of Jackson and the movies, since PJ may prove to be a valuable ally, or at least co-belligerent: his testimony and Wingnut Films' books could well sink New Lines' claimed 'production costs.'
And of course more reason why the Estate wouldn't want to do anything to block PJ from The Hobbit.
Honest to goodness I am starting to form a prediction- PJ directs Hobbit personally, 12-18 months behind the current schedule, for MGM/UA.
And of course more reason why the Estate wouldn't want to do anything to block PJ from The Hobbit.
Honest to goodness I am starting to form a prediction- PJ directs Hobbit personally, 12-18 months behind the current schedule, for MGM/UA.
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Almost exactly a year ago, not long after it was announced that Jackson was out of the Hobbit, I wrote:Honest to goodness I am starting to form a prediction- PJ directs Hobbit personally, 12-18 months behind the current schedule, for MGM/UA.
http://www.thehalloffire.net/forum/view ... 5893#65893I've already gone on record as saying that Peter Jackson WILL make the Hobbit, with Howard Shore providing the soundtrack. I suspect that it will be made in around 2009 or 2010, and released in 2010 or 2011.
Although I bet there is a pretty strong non-disparagement provision in the settlement agreement between PJ and New Line that would prevent him from saying anything or providing any information absent a court order.It's interesting: CRT and the Estate might now benefit from having refrained from public criticism of Jackson and the movies, since PJ may prove to be a valuable ally, or at least co-belligerent: his testimony and Wingnut Films' books could well sink New Lines' claimed 'production costs.'
I still believe that to be true.
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