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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:55 pm 
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I recently reread this and was reminded of how much I like it. It is so different from anything else Tolkien wrote, as Christopher says in the intro, but still feels distinctly Tolkien. It's one of the few up-close character-oriented look we get at the Second Age, too. And Erendis is one of Tolkien's best female characters. She is flawed of course, but in an interesting and generally sympathetic way (while they both share the blame, I would put more on Aldarion than on her).

Also, Erendis's description of Númenórean men, even if tainted by bitterness, proves somewhat accurate in the long run.


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Of all the works of JRRT, it's the one I think would make the best screenplay...after all incriminating references were filed off of course. The story has a lot of universal appeal.

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I agree with both you, although Ax the challenge would be properly establishing the Numenorian setting.

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axordil wrote:
Of all the works of JRRT, it's the one I think would make the best screenplay...after all incriminating references were filed off of course. The story has a lot of universal appeal.

Because it is so dialogue-driven and doesn't really need fancy visuals, it might make an ever better stage play.


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Agreed with kzer.

Now let's get Elentári in here, and force her to write it! :)


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Give us a break, Guv! :roll:

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No rest for the weary!

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Lidless could take it in hand very successfully. Have you read his most recent screenplays? Excellent! Also, award-winning, literally.

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There's even a nice alternate title with no unfamiliar words for the mass audience: "The Mariner's Wife."


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Impenitent wrote:
Lidless could take it in hand very successfully. Have you read his most recent screenplays? Excellent! Also, award-winning, literally.


Not to Osgilliate too much but - really?? Cool! Details?

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Yeah, I want to know. What has he written that's award-winning, and when is he going to remake the LOTR films? :)


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Thing is, I don't believe it requires a Númenórean setting. The motif of the love triangle between a man, a woman and the sea is broadly applicable to a variety of settings, especially those of burgeoning imperial powers. It could work for the US in the 19th century, Great Britain in the 18th, or China in the 15th.

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True. But it's only the Númenórean setting that would make it unique - and perhaps quite memorable. Would be refreshing to see such a down-to-earth fantasy, as an antidote to the more usual heroic or Lilliputian modes.


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axordil wrote:
Thing is, I don't believe it requires a Númenórean setting. The motif of the love triangle between a man, a woman and the sea is broadly applicable to a variety of settings, especially those of burgeoning imperial powers. It could work for the US in the 19th century, Great Britain in the 18th, or China in the 15th.


While I don't disagree with you, for me the story is too connected to the Numenorian setting for me to appreciate it set elsewhere. Plus, you would lose the subtext of Gil-galad's message about Sauron's rise, and the wonderful scene of Meneldur giving up the throne so that Aldarian can answer. And the wonderful image of the Elven gift of the songbirds.

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yovargas wrote:
Impenitent wrote:
Lidless could take it in hand very successfully. Have you read his most recent screenplays? Excellent! Also, award-winning, literally.


Not to Osgilliate too much but - really?? Cool! Details?


yov, you're about to deeply regret asking for details. I've read The Night Witches and The Retirement Plan, which are excellent (I edited the original manuscript of the novel The Retirement Plan before it went off to his agent, which is how I became familiar with his work).

I've taken this directly from his Facebook listing:

The Night Witches (Screenplay)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/73342853.pdf
WW2 action / True story

The Retirement Plan (Screenplay)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/66211121.pdf
FBI procedural / Political thriller

The Tapestry (Screenplay)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/68070226.pdf
Fantasy / Horror

Time And Space (Screenplay)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/62675260.pdf
Comedy / Spoof

The Concert (Screenplay)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/62675260.pdf
Kids / Crime - just completed

The Retirement Plan (Novel)
http://www.sigma-pi.com/files/76274294.pdf
FBI procedural / Political thriller


Awards and nominations to date - Time And Space

West Field Screenwriting Awards
Best Screenplay (Comedy) 2012 - Honorable Mention

Mockfest Film Festival Of Hollywood
Best Screenplay (Comedy) 2012 - Official Selection

Philadelphia Screenplay Fest
Best Screenplay (Comedy / Family) 2012 - Shortlisted

Love Unlimited Film Festival & Art Exhibition
Best of Fest Award in Scripts (Comedy) 2012 - Honorable Mention

California Film Awards
Best Screenplay 2012 - Gold Award

Bloody Hero International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Carolina Film And Video Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

The MIX/Richmond International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

L.A. Comedy Shorts And Screenplay Competition
Best Feature Length Comedy Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Los Angeles Cinema Festival of Hollywood (Spring)
Best Screenplay 2013 - Award Of Merit

Los Angeles New Wave International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 3rd Place

Honolulu Film Awards
Best Screenplay 2013 - Aloha Accolade Award

Beverly Hills Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Los Angeles Movie Awards
Best Screenplay 2013 - Honorable Mention

Las Vegas Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

St. Tropez International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

A Film Writer Screenplay Competion
Best Screenplay 2013 - Honorable Mention

Colortape International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Finalist

Madrid International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Writers Place Screenwriting Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Finalist

Eddie Bauer Jr Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Acclaim Scrips Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Austin Film Festival
Best Comedy Screenplay 2013 - Second round

Columbia Gorge International Film Festival
Best Comedy Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Scriptapalooza
Best Comedy Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

New Hampshire Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Creative World Awards
Best Comedy Screenplay 2013 - Finalist

American CineRocKom International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Catalina Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Twin Rivers Media Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Finalist

New York International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 2nd Place

Mile High Horror Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Dixie Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Sunscreen Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Atlantic Ciry Cinefest / Downbeach Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 3rd Place

International Filmmaker Festival Of World Cinema
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

The Write Room Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round

Storypros International Screenplay Contest
Best Screenplay 2013 - Quarterfinalist

Back In The Box Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Filmmaker International Screenwriting Awards
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round (ongoing)

Screenplay Festival
Best Comedy 2013 - Semifinalist (ongoing)


Awards and nominations to date - The Retirement Plan (screenplay)

A Film Writer Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Honorable Mention

Los Angeles Reel Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Honorable Mention

Eddie Bauer Jr Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Woods Hole Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and Finalist

Columbia Gorge International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and Finalist

Shoreline Scripts Screenwriting Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

Williamsburg International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - **WINNER**

American CineRocKom International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and Gold Award

Twin Rivers Media Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Finalist

Oaxaca FilmFest
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

New York International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 3rd Place

Hollywood Screenplay Contest
Best Thriller Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

International Filmmaker Festival Of World Cinema
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection

Back In The Box Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and Third Place

Burbank International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and Finalist

Filmmaker International Screenwriting Awards
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round (ongoing)

Screenplay Festival
Best Drama 2013 - Semifinalist (ongoing)



Awards and nominations to date - The Tapestry

Los Angeles Cinema Festival of Hollywood (Summer)
Best Screenplay 2013 - Award Of Merit

Trindiefest International Film Festival
Best Horror Screenplay 2013 - **WINNER**

Creative World Awards
Best Horror/Thriller/Fantasy Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

LA Screenplay Competition
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 5th Place

Independent Film Quarterly Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semi-finalist

New York International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Official Selection and 4th Place

New York Los Angeles International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Award Of Excellence

The Write Room Screenplay Competition
Best Horror Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round

Fresh Voices Screenplay Competition
Courage & Fortitude Award 2013 - Nominated (ongoing)

Filmmaker International Screenwriting Awards
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round (ongoing)

Screenplay Festival
Best Thriller / Horror 2013 - Semifinalist (ongoing)

Cinequest Screenplay Contest
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round (ongoing)


Awards and nominations to date - The Night Witches

Los Angeles Cinema Festival of Hollywood (Fall)
Best Screenplay 2013 - **WINNER**

Los Angeles Film And Script Festival
Best Screenplay (Action / Adventure) 2013 - **WINNER**

Women's Independent Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Award Of Merit

Storypros International Screenplay Contest
Best Screenplay 2013 -Semifinalist

The MIX/Richmond International Film Festival
Best Screenplay 2013 - Semifinalist (ongoing)

Fresh Voices Screenplay Competition
Diversity Award 2013 - Nominated (ongoing)

Fresh Voices Screenplay Competition
Inclusion Award 2013 - Nominated (ongoing)

Screenplay Festival
Best Action / Adventure 2013 - Semifinalist (ongoing)

Cinequest Screenplay Contest
Best Screenplay 2013 - 2nd Round (ongoing)

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Holy moses! And I didn't even know Liddy was a writer!!

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Interesting stuff! Though after reading through some of them, I remain convinced that Elentári would be the right choice!


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No way, Jose! I've done my stint - my turn to critique someone else's effort!

Anyway, the Quenta Sil was simply a labour of love, done for personal enjoyment and certainly not trying to masquerade as a professional effort in any way, shape or form. No way I am taking any such project on again on my own...it's the sharing of ideas that is the most enjoyable part. If people want to simply have a discussion here about individual ideas and visions for the screenplay, though, that would be fun to be part of... :wooper:

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Me wrote:
It is so different from anything else Tolkien wrote, as Christopher says in the intro, but still feels distinctly Tolkien.

I'm in book 3 of my re-read of LotR, and while the form and style of Aldarion and Erendis is still unique among his work, I'd forgotten the Entwives - their story is similar in some ways. So is Amroth and Nimrodel, actually, which I need to reread in Unfinished Tales soon. Tolkien wrote a lot of troubled and sometimes downright dysfunctional couples, especially for someone with a good (as far as I know) marriage!


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