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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:50 pm 
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If you don't own this book yet, what are you waiting for? As CJRT put it, you can't fully know Tolkien without knowing his art. And what an incredibly talented and knowledgeable man he was.

It's really amazing that between work, family and writings he still managed to find time to work on his drawings (too little, unfortunately). Did the man ever rest? :D

What's great about this book, that it's not just the drawings with some comments, the authors actually provide a detailed (and very engaging) account of evolution of JRRT's art throughout his lifetime and its connection to his mythology.


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Definitely a great book, and the husband/wife team of Wayne Hammond and Christina Scull's first award-winning collaboration.

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Yep - it's a must have...it certainly adds depth and greater appreciation of his literary works.

btw my favourite JRRT illustration is "The Forest of Lothlórien in Spring"

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I love the one with Glorund (Glaurung) and all of the Hobbit illustrations.


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I just love this book too (as you can tell from my avatar).
I even like some of Tolkien's non-fictional artwork (The Cottage, p.22)
Some of his quick sketches are interesting as well, but anyone else notice the weird proportions of the inside of Bag-End on p. 146. Something funky with Bilbo and the table scale-wise? Looks like he'd have to jump to reach the door handle!

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Yes, Bilbo and the table should have been bigger.


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I have this, but frankly I don't consider it one of the highlights of my collection. In many ways I prefer "Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien". It seems to me that there's too much desire in "Artist and Illustrator" to portray Tolkien as some sort of talented Artist, when in fact he's very amateur. "Pictures" lets the images stand or fall on their own merit.

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They don't deny that he's amateur, they mention his weaknesses but their focus is on how his art compliments his mythology.


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Tolkien's illustrations fascinate me because they show what was in his mind as he wrote those scenes. I read LotR numerous times before I ever saw any of Tolkien's pictures. The edition I bought in college had Tolkien images on the covers (long fallen off, alas). But I remember discovering that one that I'd thought was a hobbit in Fangorn was actually an Elf (I forget who) at a completely different place and time.

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It could have been both. He did have a tendency to sometimes reuse pictures for different purposes. Specifically, if I am remembering correctly (and I'm sure that someone can correct me if I am wrong), a picture of Beleg and Gwindor in the woods of Taur-nu-Fuin became Merry and Pippin in Fangorn. It could even be that that is the picture that you are thinking of, Prim. (I'll try to remember to check my copy of Artist and Illustrator when I go home and see if I can confirm this, if no one else does so beforehand.)

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Correct, Big V :D

Tolkien's "Taur-na-Fúin" found its way into The Hobbit, redrawn in ink as Mirkwood. Still later it was published in the JRR Tolkien Calendar 1974 wwith Tolkien's consent and with a new title in the artist's hand "Fangorn Forest."

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Tolkien seems to have felt that the "Silmarillion" picture somehow could do double duty as an illustration for LotR, and so this one image was used, in one form or another, to illustrate all three of Tolkien's major works.

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That's really interesting! I'd bet it's the same illustration, two tiny figures almost lost in a forest of immense trees (as I recall it, one appears to be stumbling over some roots). They looked too thin to be hobbits, to my eyes.

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Oddly enough, the first time I saw that picture, I didn't even see the figures. All I saw was the trees. :help:

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Now that you mention it, I think I'd had the books for a while before I noticed the figures.

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Is this what we're talking about?

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Originally, Tolkien did this painting for "The Children of Húrin", part of The Silmarillion. He redrew it in ink as Mirkwood for the Hobbit. It was renamed Fangorn Forest for the 1974 Tolkien calendar.


Seems it did triple duty.

Edit: as has been pointed out already :blackeye:


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Primula Baggins wrote:
Now that you mention it, I think I'd had the books for a while before I noticed the figures.


I only noticed them because they were mentioned in the text.


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Well, this was a cover painting on a paperback, Siberian, and I'd learned years before that they often have nothing to do with what's inside. . . . :D

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As evidenced by the Roger Garland covers that abounded in the '80s!

This was the Fellowship cover:
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The Two Towers
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And Return of the King
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Thats Minas Tirith believe it or not. I wonder why PJ never asked Roger to work on the films? ;)

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The first two could be worse; they don't defy the text completely. But the third—that is so not Minas Tirith!

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These are just snapshots from a larger mural that Roger did:

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http://www.lakeside-gallery.com/rogergarlandtolkienland.html

Presumably the publishers chose the images they wanted. The TTT cover shows Minas Morgul, I think. I agree that Minas Tirith looks more like Gondolin, tho' ;)

The other mural he did was called The Shire, but it covers a much wider landscape, including the Falls of Rauros, and Pelargir!!!

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