It is currently Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:31 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 457 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 23  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:00 am 
Offline
of Vinyamar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:39 pm
Posts: 8759
Location: Ireland
Not to be smart, but you guys need to pick whoever has the best chance of beating Trump and that means catering to a chunk of the middle. From here, that looks like Biden.

_________________
Image
The Vinyamars on Stage! This time at Bag End


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:10 am
Posts: 6109
I think that kind of thinking is futile, Alatar, because trying to guess who has the best chance of beating Trump is just that -- guessing -- and it only ends in a nominee a majority feel lukewarm about. John Kerry comes to mind. IMO, people should vote in the primary for whomever they feel most inspired by and think would make the best President. In the end, someone will get the nomination, and everyone anti-Trump will rally around that person.

_________________
Avatar photo by Richard Lykes, used with permission.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:59 am 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 35042
I agree, Cerin.

Sent from my LG G6 using Tapatalk

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:02 pm 
Offline
I miss Prim ...
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:13 pm
Posts: 14130
Location: Florida
Aw man. I was really hoping Biden wouldn't run, unlikely as that seemed (he's finally announced). There's already so many damm people running and I would prefer there be more space for the newer, fresher faces that have been rising up. Not that I know anything about anything but I think many of them could generate a lot more excitement than Biden can. (And some of those new faces should be able to appeal to the middle too.)

_________________
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:35 pm 
Offline
Wrong within normal parameters
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:59 am
Posts: 4688
Location: The other side of Michigan
Personally, I'd love to see politics become less exciting


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:50 pm 
Offline
of Vinyamar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:39 pm
Posts: 8759
Location: Ireland
This is why I think Trump will win. Democrats aren’t pragmatic enough. They’re looking for an amazing leader who inspires them. Anyone who inspires the Democrats is gonna fire up the Republican base. You need someone who is good enough to lead without firing up the Republicans. IMHO

_________________
Image
The Vinyamars on Stage! This time at Bag End


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:02 pm 
Offline
I miss Prim ...
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:13 pm
Posts: 14130
Location: Florida
See: Obama.

_________________
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:32 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 35042
Obama, Bill Clinton, and Carter were each nominated over safe, establishment candidates and they each won. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and Hillary Clinton were the safe establishment candidates and they each lost.

Sent from my LG G6 using Tapatalk

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:44 pm 
Offline
bioalchemist
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 am
Posts: 10767
Location: the dry land
Trump already fires up the Republican base so that's a pointless concern. Let's just set "fired up Republican base" as a constant and go from there.

_________________
When you can do nothing what can you do?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:07 pm 
Offline
Meanwhile...
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:31 pm
Posts: 15234
Location: Out on the banks
River wrote:
Trump already fires up the Republican base so that's a pointless concern. Let's just set "fired up Republican base" as a constant and go from there.
This.

_________________
Image

“I am not so blind that I can't see darkness.”
Dangerous Beans
Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:41 pm 
Offline
I miss Prim ...
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:13 pm
Posts: 14130
Location: Florida
Voronwë the Faithful wrote:
Obama, Bill Clinton, and Carter were each nominated over safe, establishment candidates and they each won. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and Hillary Clinton were the safe establishment candidates and they each lost.

Sent from my LG G6 using Tapatalk

And, let's not forget, that Trump himself beat all the safe establishment Republicans in his primaries.

_________________
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:58 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 35042
yovargas wrote:
And, let's not forget, that Trump himself beat all the safe establishment Republicans in his primaries.


Not to mention the boiled turnip.

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:10 pm 
Offline
Meanwhile...
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:31 pm
Posts: 15234
Location: Out on the banks
It is now evident that the Democratic strategy of "let's not upset the Conservatives" backfired horribly while the Republican strategy of "f---- the libs" worked great for them.

_________________
Image

“I am not so blind that I can't see darkness.”
Dangerous Beans
Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:10 pm 
Offline
I miss Prim ...
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:13 pm
Posts: 14130
Location: Florida
That poor, poor turnip....

_________________
I wanna love somebody but I don't know how
I wanna throw my body in the river and drown
-The Decemberists


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:25 pm 
Offline
of Vinyamar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:39 pm
Posts: 8759
Location: Ireland
Well, hopefully I'm wrong.

_________________
Image
The Vinyamars on Stage! This time at Bag End


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:33 pm 
Offline
Wrong within normal parameters
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:59 am
Posts: 4688
Location: The other side of Michigan
I don't know; I've basically accepted that I can no longer predict what voters want, so when the time comes, I'm going to ignore "electability" and vote for what I want. And from where I'm standing right now, "not obviously evil or insane" is a fairly ringing endorsement, but it's followed closely by "not any kind of ideologue."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:26 pm 
Offline
bioalchemist
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 am
Posts: 10767
Location: the dry land
I'm still leaning towards some sort of Warren/Buttigieg combo. Don't care who's on top of the ticket so long as both are on it. Though I expect that both are too nerdy to be nominated. Which is sad because having a POTUS or VPOTUS who can speak the languages of allies and foes would be a refreshing twist.

_________________
When you can do nothing what can you do?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:29 pm 
Offline
Meanwhile...
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:31 pm
Posts: 15234
Location: Out on the banks
Alatar wrote:
Well, hopefully I'm wrong.
You might well be right that Trump will win. Especially if people continue treating this election as free and fair, and democracy as a self-perpetuating system.

NPR
Quote:
Six months after electing a diverse wave of women to Congress, some "electability"-minded Democrats fear the U.S. isn't ready for a woman, person of color or LGBTQ presidential candidate.


Electability minded might be the best euphemism yet, combining racist and sexist. It's like people forgot that the Democrats last great success was Obama.

_________________
Image

“I am not so blind that I can't see darkness.”
Dangerous Beans
Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:53 pm 
Offline
1000%
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am
Posts: 35042
On the other hand, the Democrats last great failure was Hillary Clinton, who for all the baggage she brought would have certainly won that election but for the sexist nature of a significant portion of the electorate that would have voted for a candidate with the exact same qualities that she had, if she was a man. I'm not at all saying that I think that the Democrats should nominate a white, straight, Christian male; I don't think that (although I wouldn't hesitate to support a white, straight, Christian male if I thought he was the best person overall for the job). But it would be naïve to pretend that prejudicial attitudes do not come into play. Obama won twice despite the fact that there were some people that were never going to vote for him simply because he had dark skin and a funny sounding name.

_________________
In gratitude forever … .


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:12 pm 
Offline
Meanwhile...
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:31 pm
Posts: 15234
Location: Out on the banks
You are not wrong, V. However, Hilary carried the additional burden of being lackluster to the progressives who did not turn out for her. That is, if we are assuming that the last election was free and fair, which is not a given.

_________________
Image

“I am not so blind that I can't see darkness.”
Dangerous Beans
Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 457 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 23  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group