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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:22 am 
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On a slight tangent but the haka is terrifying even when performed at a hotel luau by guys who are probably not Maori.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:56 pm 
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Inanna, I got your larger point and giggled. What the Nazis did with the swastika is probably one of the more obvious and egregious examples of cultural appropriation but that's nothing compared to straight-up genocide. And there probably are more important things to talk about...but for whatever reason conversations have been happening about this for a good two or three years now (we're rather late to the party on HoF). And the term "cultural appropriation" definitely seems to lack a fixed definition. Or, at least, a fixed definition someone who's spent almost no time studying the matter can latch onto.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:29 pm 
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Nobody wants to appropriate my culture. Lutefisk in white sauce . . . potato sausage . . . Luther's chorales . . . the fish-slapping dance. . . .

It kind of stings, TBH. :cry:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:14 pm 
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LOL! When I was growing up, we were pretty typically British in what we ate: roast beef cooked until the bone started to burn, and lots of carrots, potatoes, turnips and cabbage. Friday was usually fish, even though we were Anglican and not Catholic (baked sole). Oh, and of course, tea with every meal, except breakfast, when my parents would have a cup of coffee perked in one of those old-fashioned Pyrex percolators.

Desserts were usually applesauce (wintertime) or in-season fruit. Occasionally, Mom would get rid of our stale bread by making a bread pudding. It's actually a poverty dish, but YUM! It was sure a treat!

Can't see many people wanting to emulate our culture, either. :P Of course, a lot of it was due to the time period. Fresh vegetables were quite expensive during the winter time, and therefore winter vegetables like the ones I've listed above were the norm. The fridge we had when i was a kid had a little tiny icebox that wouldn't keep much of anything frozen - if we bought a brick of ice cream, we had to eat it almost immediately, before it melted.

What a wonderful thing it was to get a fridge that had an actual freezer, and then we could eat frozen veggies in the wintertime, instead of relying on canned or the boring old winter veggies.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:27 pm 
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Well, Russians appropriated borscht from Ukrainians.

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My heritage is Midwestern mongrel. If overcooked veggies get popular I'll wonder WTF is wrong with people. My parents fled that.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:45 pm 
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Primula Baggins wrote:
Nobody wants to appropriate my culture. Lutefisk in white sauce . . . potato sausage . . . Luther's chorales . . . the fish-slapping dance. . . .

It kind of stings, TBH. :cry:
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I don't think I have a clear heritage. I spent the second half of my childhood in the Ozark Mountains, but I loathed the redneck culture and made sure I escaped the place.

My husband has a clear Cajun heritage which I help out with by learning to make several yummy dishes from my mother in law. It also shows in his genetic markers.

My heritage is American, I guess. Both sides of my family have been here since the 1600s.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:26 pm 
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Does this count?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:55 pm 
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By definition, it should, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:17 pm 
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There are no hard and fast rules. If you're dressing up as Castro, maybe it's cultural appropriation; if you're dressing up as Navy SEAL (esp a white navy SEAL), probably not.
Cultural appropriation includes a dash of racism and oppression.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:25 pm 
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Here's a very interesting post on this subject. A Japanese mom steps in and burns the people who are calling the little girl's tea party 'cultural appropriation':

https://www.boredpanda.com/japanese-tea ... 9f881108d6



The last blog post pretty much sums it up: "Earnest imitation isn't appropriation. Reducing a culture to a marketable stereotype is."

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