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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:37 pm 
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Here's a perspective:

"Trump hits 34% [job approval]" doesn't convey the full story. It's "Trump somehow hits 34% without a recession, a military disaster, a gas crisis, etc"
Benjy Sarlin, NBC News

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:46 pm 
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The lowest 538's had him is 36% (just after The Mooch, I believe). I suspect (hope?) this past weekend will not be seen favorably either.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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His 538 number was creeping up around 38% when he started talking about war with North Korea and then Venezuela but then it declined. Last I checked it was 37.4%, probably because of the Gallup result. We'll see where this goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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May I use this, Frelga?

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:59 am 
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Perfect.

I wish it weren't.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:08 am 
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Impenitent wrote:
May I use this, Frelga?


I didn't make it, I found it on Google+. Which probably means I should try too look up the person who did make it. But I can't imagine they'd object.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:02 pm 
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I was pretty surprised by this:

Corker: Trump hasn't demonstrated the stability or competence to be successful

Obviously, I agree that this is true, but I'm surprised to see someone high in the GOP Senate leadership admit it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:38 pm 
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Most prominent Republicans have spoken up about C-ville. Even McConnell. Speaking up is not enough.

In the meantime...
Steve Bannon Detonates His Trump Survival Plan, Worrying Allies

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Bannon, an ally said, was very angry that Cohn was telling the press about how uncomfortable he was with Trump's Tuesday comments. "Bannon felt it was the opposite, he thought it was great," the source relayed.

That same day, Bannon spoke to the American Prospect, tearing into Cohn and forcefully detailing his own agenda to a reporter, blowing up the earlier, cautious approach to survival.

Bannon has now made the calculus that he’s on thin ice regardless, and won't go down quietly, the first supporter said. "He's saying, 'I’m going to force you to fire me in a public way or we’re going to follow the agenda we were elected for.'"

"Bannon thinks he's going to be in the shit house," the second Bannon ally said. "But the reason I think he could survive this one is they had Charlottesville, they disbanded two [business advisory councils,] now they're going to fire the president’s chief strategist?"


I miss the days when politics were boring. I am also still not used to buzzfeed delivering intelligent, well sourced news stories. Right alongside "which Kardashian are you" quizzes.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
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‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:31 pm 
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Frelga wrote:
Most prominent Republicans have spoken up about C-ville. Even McConnell. Speaking up is not enough.


There is a big difference between speaking up about Charlottesville in vague terms, without even mentioning Trump by name (as McConnell and Ryan did), and specifically stating that Trump is unstable and incompetent. I agree that speaking up is not enough, but this is a distinctly different tone than I have heard from anyone in GOP leadership. We'll see if it leads anywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:57 am 
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True dat.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 pm 
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Bannon has either been fired, or resigned, depending on which story you believe. Not that I think it matters much. Bannon was never the real problem. Trump is.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:44 pm 
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What's the story on why? Too dispirited about....everything.....to google right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:50 pm 
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Yov, read it, it might raise your spirits.

V, while I agree with you, Bannon was one of the most dangerous voices in the White House, imo. His removal will not solve all problems, but I do think it improves our chances of us maybe surviving the next few years.

Eta: Colbert just now

".@realDonaldTrump Congrats on removing your first monument to racism! https://t.co/XF4XIQyAO3"

Although, unlike condemning the Nazis, this development is not straightforward.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum


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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Trump believes that Bannon is the source of some of the leaks that have infuriated him. Apparently he was supposed to be fired two weeks ago, but Mark Meadows, the head of the House Freedom Caucus talked him out of it. But this week Bannon gave an interview to the liberal American Prospect magazine in which he contradicted Trump on North Korea (Bannon actually made some sense in saying that there was no military solution to the crisis in North Korea) and insulted other Trump advisors and apparently that was the last straw.

Frelga, I agree about Bannon, but I still don't think it makes much difference. Trump was a scary wildcard before Bannon joined his team, and he will continue to be a scary wildcard now that Bannon is (allegedly) no longer involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Will Trump have any friends left (that aren't relatives) when he's done with all this?

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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That's true, but Trump appears to repeat the last thing someone put in front of him, and who is putting things in front of him matters. Not that I disagree with you.

So who's left? He kicked out the Republican establishment. Business councils disbanded or failed to form. The nationalist is out. Trump's family is still his trusted circle but their only characteristic is their personal loyalty to Trump.

We are run by the military right now, aren't we?

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Yep. If anyone is in charge, it is Gen. Kelly. Which is scary enough, but could be worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:22 pm 
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I... was kinda hoping you'd tell me why I'm wrong.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum


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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Right now, that looks like a positive thing.

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