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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:36 pm 
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Does anyone think Putin was behind Boris Nemtsoz's assassination?

I'm guessing yes...

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:07 pm 
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On some level, yes. He was very quick to take control of the investigation.

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:32 pm 
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I don't think anyone doubts that Putin is behind it. Like, duh.

I don't suppose a reference to Kirov's assassination means anything to posters here, but look it up and watch what unfolds through that lens.

Stalin's playbook. In 2015.

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:50 am 
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Yes :(

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:17 am 
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:( Kirov, yes.

Well, we'll see what happens next.

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:16 pm 
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I actually have my doubts that Putin is directly behind this murder. There are ultra-nationalist groups in Russian society, who operate semi-autonomously from Putin, which could also be blamed for such a heinous crime. Putin, of course, supports these groups in some way or another, and the Russian government will do its best to protect the perpetrators.

According to my father, who does a lot of business in Russia and Ukraine, the political climate in Moscow has become quite toxic in the last months. Just last week, he nearly got into a physical altercation with some people in a restaurant who wanted him to praise Putin and the Russian government because they identified him as a Westerner.


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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:40 pm 
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That's why I said "on some level." I'm not convinced that he ordered the "hit" but I am convinced that the death can be tied to the environment that he has created, one way or another.

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:23 am 
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"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"
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(originally Henry II about Thomas Becket)

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 Post subject: Re: Ukraine (and Russia)
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Bumped for yov, without reviewing if it actually answers his question.

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