Jesse Ventura

Post by **vison** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:45 pm

I was going to post this in Bag End, but I suppose it had better go here.

My nephew arrived yesterday to stay with us for a couple of months while he goes to school. I was reading, so he had control of the Remote Control. He put Piers Morgan on, and Mr. Morgan was interviewing Jesse Ventura.

So, of course, I was inevitably drawn into the madness. My gawd.

MY GAWD.

Bizarre though he is, and insane as he appears to be, it was funny that both Derrick and I kept being distracted by his hairdo

almost as much as we were gobsmacked by the things he was saying.

Post by **Primula Baggins** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:03 pm

He's definitely the only ex-wrestler governor of Minnesota who had appeared on the X-Files with Alex Trebek. Just sayin'.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:14 am

Jesse Ventura isn't insane, he is eccentric.

Eccentricism is deviance from an accepted norm. Look around you. Is this accepted norm REALLY so acceptable?

Perhaps people need to open their minds a little and begin realising that the crazy and weird may well be crazy and weird, but may also contain insightful truths that are ridiculed simply because they challenge the status quo.

And it is a status quo that brought about the financial collapse that continues to rock all our existences... unless we;re bankers, of course.

Post by **vison** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:44 am

No, he's nuts.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:51 am

vison wrote:No, he's nuts.

And Mitt Romney isn't?

Post by **vison** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:01 am

Ghân-buri-Ghân wrote:
vison wrote:No, he's nuts.
And Mitt Romney isn't?

Well, I didn't say anything about Mitt Romney. And I won't say on this forum why I think HE'S nuts, too. We have to play nice here.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:07 am

vison wrote:
Ghân-buri-Ghân wrote:
vison wrote:No, he's nuts.
And Mitt Romney isn't?
Well, I didn't say anything about Mitt Romney. And I won't say on this forum why I think HE'S nuts, too. We have to play nice here.

Yet Mitt Romney MAY be a Presidential candidate...

Perhaps, in the end, we're all nuts, only we think our personal nuts is sanity...?

Normality is NOT synonymous with rationality, you know...

Post by **vison** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:12 am

I'm not that much of a relativist, actually.

I think Mitt Romney is as loony as Ventura and would be sad and shocked to think he might really be a POTUS candidate. But then, look at the last election.

Post by **River** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:17 am

I am not sure the sane and rational GOP contenders will make it through the primaries, or, if they do, they will do so by appearing sane and rational. Or maybe the noise made by the Tea Party just drowns out the more reasonable sectors of the GOP base. Nevertheless, I've a feeling that the nomination will go to someone who appeals most to the fringier elements, thus setting us up for a rather vile election season but a relatively easy Obama victory. But this is not the thread for such speculations.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:21 am

vison wrote:I'm not that much of a relativist, actually.

I think Mitt Romney is as loony as Ventura and would be sad and shocked to think he might really be a POTUS candidate. But then, look at the last election.

vison, that is my point, pretty much entirely. Each and every one of us sits in our ivory tower, decrying the madness of Jesse, or Mitt, or Dan, or Barack... because what they say is discordant with what we think. Yet how often do we take the time to really ferret into the foundations of what we hear? We take for granted so much, not least because we have to. Yet experience should surely tell us that we are consistently lied to, whether by the Toronto Star, or the New York Times, or Fox News, CNN, the Guardian...

We believe, generally, what we WANT to believe; those stories that reinforce our perceptions are the stories that resonate. It isn't because they are "true", but simply because they accord with out preconceptions.

Jesse Ventura is a fool. Just like Feste in Twelfth night...

Post by **Primula Baggins** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:49 am

I have to think that video of people actually saying crazy things is fair evidence that they are crazy. Like a fox, maybe, but still crazy. Not a lot of distortion can be applied to flat statements of lunacy.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:57 am

Primula Baggins wrote:I have to think that video of people actually saying crazy things is fair evidence that they are crazy. Like a fox, maybe, but still crazy. Not a lot of distortion can be applied to flat statements of lunacy.

I sort of (heavy qualification...) agree, except I'm never so certain those crazy things are actually as crazy as pretended. Strip away the showmanship, and then compare "like" with "like".

I remember watching Colin Powell holding up a vial of "anthrax" to the UN general assembly, as he detailed Saddam Hussein's mobile laboratories that would produce lethal amounts of WMD. It was ALL fantasy. Isn't fantasy madness? Was Colin Powell crazy?

Because what Colin Powell was pretending WAS lunacy. As for Jesse Ventura... he raises questions, about a multitude of issues that have conveniently been brushed under the carpet. Yes, he's a melodramatic showman, but after three years of his Presidency, I can't think of any greater melodramatic showman than Barack Obama...

Post by **yovargas** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:01 am

I've actually been rather disappointed in Obama's general lack of showmanship...

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:03 am

yovargas wrote:I've actually been rather disappointed in Obama's general lack of showmanship...

You know, I agree. But I say he achieved the Presidency through vacuous showmanship... "Yes we can!"... and he has governed as a damp squib.

Post by **yovargas** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:07 am

Yeah...pretty much...

Post by **Cenedril_Gildinaur** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:14 pm

I'd say Ventura is very eccentric but not insane. I'd say the mainstream might be insane, and if it is then anyone who is not insane is therefore eccentric.

Post by **vison** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:31 pm

He's almost as far down the road as David Icke. I expect that will be next on his resume.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:15 am

vison wrote:He's almost as far down the road as David Icke. I expect that will be next on his resume.

One of the joys of David Icke is that he weaves fact with conjecture. It's magnificent "madness". However, compared with, say, Colin Powell at the UN, or the Gulf of Tonkin lie, David Icke is a paragon of virtue.

It would appear that vison is not particularly interested in the merits of dissenting viewpoints. She has decided to condemn everything "outre" as false and mad, because it is self evident that what we are told by the mainstream is the truth... Right?

I have always marvelled at religious belief....

Post by **Primula Baggins** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:18 am

I take it you don't know vison very well.

In any case, you're being rude and sarcastic and preventing any actual discussion in the thread. You have one note and you play it awfully loud. If I didn't work here, I would long since have stopped reading your posts.

Post by **Ghân-buri-Ghân** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:22 am

Primula Baggins wrote:I take it you don't know vison very well.

In any case, you're being rude and sarcastic and preventing any actual discussion in the thread. You have one note and you play it awfully loud. If I didn't work here, I would long since have stopped reading your posts.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And you aren't rude at all...

But when vison writes

He's almost as far down the road as David Icke. I expect that will be next on his resume.

It isn't exactly the zenith of discursive enterprise, is it?