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Anthriel wrote:I personally never pay much attention to the opinions of people who cannot or will not try to spell correctly.

It's a pretty good filter, as filters go. :)
Oh, dear. :) I feel the same way and I always feel so . . . snobbish. I mean, spelling isn't everyone's strong suit. But I can't overcome the feeling. I'm glad I'm not alone.

I was lucky enough to grow up in an era when spelling MATTERED. Just like nice handwriting. I try to cut people some slack. And seldom succeed. :(
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Its so unfair to blame the people who make spelling mistakes when there errors are due to the spell checker failing to catch it's mistakes and than the errors are just their! That's worse then anything!

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vison wrote:I was lucky enough to grow up in an era when spelling MATTERED. Just like nice handwriting. I try to cut people some slack. And seldom succeed. :(
I have horrible, horrible handwriting, the kind that looks like squiggles. :rofl: I try to spell well, though, so I'm not a total lost case, I hope. ;)
Prim wrote:... and when someone is misspelling/mispunctuating because they don't give a damn.
Or don't know better!

We had a customer complaint recently about a woman trying to place an ad selling Shih Tzu dogs. It got to my inbox because there was some technical stuff behind the complaint I had to attend to.

This woman was not well mannered at all, and her email was extremely rude and full of misspelled words.

And dear oh dear, her spelling of "Shih Tzu" was not right at all. :help:

It was appropriate, though. Certainly reminiscent of what the rest of her email was like.
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:headpat:

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Edit: Cross-posted with Griffy, who might as well share and share alike. :D
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There's a difference between a post written by a native English speaker who doesn't give a crap and a post written by someone for whom English is a foreign language. The latter's mistakes have the flavor of someone who's making an honest effort and just doesn't quite get the rules just yet, or their spelling and grammar pass but their idioms and phrasing are off. Not wrong, but not the way the native speakers put it. If I see a post written by the former, I make certain judgments (it's a very good first-order crud filter). If I see a post written by the latter, I give the writing due attention. Whoever wrote it obviously cares enough to try and express themselves in a secondary language for the benefit of their audience and I gotta respect that. Especially since I have a husband who is not a native English speaker and who has refused to join HoF partially because he sees it as my space and partially because he doesn't want to futz with English in his recreational time. I'd put a post written by someone who's obviously got a point but just can't spell their way out of a wet paper sack in that camp too, though I admit that if the spelling and grammar are too mangled it is not possible for me to tease the point out.

But then there're posts written by people whose command of the English language is just fine, but whose writing style is just awful or whose logic circuits are either disengaged, shorted out, or not even there to start with. Grammatically correct sentences that express ideas that make no sense. Bold claims with absolutely nothing to back them up. Repeated lies, long since debunked, that they cling to because they're just so truthy. Crappy communication and no idea that their communication is crappy, or, worse, a deep-seated belief that it isn't their problem their writing sucks. That's my second-order of filtering and that's where my despair really starts to set in. There are a lot of people who post comments on blogs and news sites who know how to write in English but, if they have even the slightest clue as to how to use their brains effectively, it is NOT coming across in their posts. :cry:

ETA: my cursive sucks. It is legendary for its suck. My print is much better. It won't pass for type-set or anything, but it's legible (in fact, I've found that lab rats with crappy handwriting are few and far between, probably because of keeping notebooks). My signature, OTOH, is godawful. Neither my first or last name come out spelled right and in fact it's not clear there're even letters. My sister described it once as "a squiggle and a...what is that?" When I initialize something, it's not much better. One of my labmates called me on it once, pointing out that none of the letters were recognizable.
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River wrote:My signature, OTOH, is godawful. Neither my first or last name come out spelled right and in fact it's not clear there're even letters. My sister described it once as "a squiggle and a...what is that?"
My signature suffers the same affliction. I developed it when my initials were different than they are now, and I still sign that way, so it really doesn't show that it is *me*. It is a squiggle, really. When I sign Really Important Documents, such as a mortgage, I roll out a long form signature, which is really just my babyish cursive ( I last really wrote in cursive at age 13, so, erhm, yeah ), and when I initial Really Important Documents I do a cursive squiggle of my current initials.
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The grade school my kids went to no longer teaches cursive writing at all. (I guess they must teach the kids how to write their names in cursive. . . .) There just isn't enough time, because of the things they have to learn that people my age didn't, such as touch typing and use of the Internet, and because there's so much state and federal testing now with very specific lists of material that has to be covered exhaustively, no matter what. But still, I imagine in a generation or two cursive writing will be a skill of old people and no one else.
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I finally watched the Colbert announcement and while, yes, it might be a bit counter-productive, it was really really really really really really funny. :D :D :D :D
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Voronwë_the_Faithful wrote:Its so unfair to blame the people who make spelling mistakes when there errors are due to the spell checker failing to catch it's mistakes and than the errors are just their! That's worse then anything!

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I halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plane lee marques four my revue
Miss steaks aye ken knot sea

Eye ran this poem threw it
Your sure reel glad two no
It's vary polished in it's weigh
My chequer tolled me sew

A chequer is a bless sing
It freeze yew lodes of thyme
It helps me awl stiles two reed
And aides mi when aye rime

To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud
And wee mussed dew the best wee can
Sew flaws are knot aloud

And now bee cause my spelling
is checked with such grate flare
Their are know faults with in my cite
Of nun eye am a wear

Each frays come posed up on my screen
Eye trussed to be a joule
The chequer poured o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule

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:rofl:
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Filter: On.
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Lord_M, that war a luvverly pome.
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I dislike resorting to an online checker though sometimes I will check an individual word. I prefer to stand or fall on what I write as I write it and any mistakes just makes it more individual. That doesn't mean to say I dislike being corrected, quite the contrary.
Sometimes here and elsewhere the dialogue box is too small to scan quickly and clearly and so errors aren't picked up before hitting send. I'm particularly prone to hitting the shift button for capitals a micro second too late so always have to trawl back to correct that and may miss some.

Though errors of others jump out and nag away at the tidy mind, I'm fairly tolerant of typos and persistent misspellings of other people. What I dislike is the bad and incoherent writing that is evidence of bad and incoherent thinking.
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As someone who's both a bad typist and a professional editor, I have to say that though I see mistakes in other people's posts (because after all these years I can't not see them), I don't give a damn about them or judge anyone based on them—unless, as Tosh says, the writing/thinking is bad and incoherent. It matters to me to try to get my posts right, partly because I sometimes get pounced on for mistakes :P , but I wouldn't expect others to be equally obsessed over something that is, really, trivial compared to the ability to write clearly and think logically.
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I love the phrase "trawl back". To trawl. Trawling. To trawl, or not to trawl, that is the question.

Great verb. That just made my day! Filter OFF for Mr. Tosh.

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Okay, sorry, I won't osgiliate this again. But TRAWL!! What a great word. I couldn't resist!! :)
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It's pretty great, yes. :D

So, anyone here going to the rally?
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In spirit!

My word. We are gonna need it here in Canuckistan, too. Our idiotic PM is going to make "the long gun registry" the MAIN issue in the next federal election. A backbencher Conservative private member's bill to abolish it was narrowly defeated in parliament yesterday. If you heard this creep going on about how "Canadians are not going to stand being treated like criminals"!!!!!!!!!! I can't type it without the keyboard bursting into flames.

I am so mad about this that I could . . . . do a number of things. :rage: :rage:

Canada faces a number of REALLY important challenges, just like all countries in this world and this Rightwing-Bush-wannabe is carefully and cynically setting up a "divide" between the "rural" (meaning: REAL Canadians) and "urban" (meaning: les autres) over an issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Canada and what it stands for.

He is also the PM who wants harsher laws, longer sentences, and more prisons. Who is INCREASING the deficit because of it. And yet he calls himself a Conservative. He's not. He's a . . . I can't put the words on this forum.

If Harper really thinks this issue was the ONE issue that Canadians care about he should man up, present the bloody bill himself, and make it clear it's a confidence matter.

:rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
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Ouch, vison! :(

I was all set to go until I checked airline tickets. Not so much, now.

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vison wrote: Canada faces a number of REALLY important challenges, just like all countries in this world and this Rightwing-Bush-wannabe is carefully and cynically setting up a "divide" between the "rural" (meaning: REAL Canadians) and "urban" (meaning: les autres) over an issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Canada and what it stands for.
Welcome to US electoral politics. I hope you Canadians hold tough to your senses. The world needs only one USA.
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River wrote:
vison wrote: Canada faces a number of REALLY important challenges, just like all countries in this world and this Rightwing-Bush-wannabe is carefully and cynically setting up a "divide" between the "rural" (meaning: REAL Canadians) and "urban" (meaning: les autres) over an issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Canada and what it stands for.
Welcome to US electoral politics. I hope you Canadians hold tough to your senses. The world needs only one USA.
I hope so, too. But the alternatives to Mr. Harper are just not very appealing. Tweedledum and Tweedledee, really.
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