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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:18 pm 
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He'd probably take a nuanced view of this story of a Muslim flight attendant for ExpressJet who was suspended for refusing to serve alcohol to passengers:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/mu ... index.html

She had the job before she converted to Islam and continued to serve alcohol until she became aware that this, too, was forbidden. Then she made an accommodation with other flight attendants so she didn't have to serve alcohol, until one of them filed a complaint.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:09 pm 
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And she was just trying to get out of serving alcohol herself, not keeping the passengers from getting their drinks.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:38 pm 
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Something similar would have been acceptable for the clerk in Kentucky, I imagine, as long as it was still possible for same-sex couples to get licenses from someone else at the same site. But she was trying to prevent that, too.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:48 pm 
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Primula Baggins wrote:
Something similar would have been acceptable for the clerk in Kentucky, I imagine, as long as it was still possible for same-sex couples to get licenses from someone else at the same site. But she was trying to prevent that, too.

You don't have to imagine - that arrangement was on the table and she chose to go to jail instead.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:40 pm 
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Now that you mention it, I remember hearing something like that.

I'm not following the news right now. We've got the house to ourselves this weekend and we are both taking three days off from work and just hanging out together. It feels sinful.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:41 am 
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Do you have a license for that? ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:57 am 
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Well, it's meaningless now that any two people can just hang out together whenever they want, but somehow we've been enjoying it all the same. . . .

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:35 pm 
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:nono: What is this world coming to?!

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Another thoughtful and informative post from Yonatan Zunger explains the history, significance and likely impact of the recent Perry v. Schwarzenegger ruling. The ruling dropped a 60-page hammer on Mississippi's, which would have legalized bigotry and discrimination based on a "sincere religious belief." Both the post and the linked article are well worth a read.

The law, HB 1523, granted special protections to three religious beliefs: Those who oppose same-sex marriage; those who oppose sex outside of marriage; and those who dislike trans and gender-nonconforming people. Starting July 1, HB 1523 would have allowed religious landlords to evict gay and trans renters; permitted religious employers to fire workers for being LGBTQ; granted state and private adoption agencies the right to turn away same-sex couples; allowed private businesses to refuse service to LGBTQ people; given doctors a right to refuse to treat LGBTQ people in most circumstances; and permitted clerks to refuse to marry same-sex couples.

Hours before HB 1523 was set to take effect, Reeves issued an injunction, holding that the law, in its entirety, violates both the Equal Protection Clause and the Establishment Clause. (Reeves had already halted the clerk-specific portion of the bill.) His decision marks a momentous occasion—the first time a federal judge has found that so-called “religious liberty” bills, designed to disadvantage LGBTQ people, violate the U.S. Constitution. Reeves’ opinion is worth paying careful attention to; its findings and logic are certain to be invoked in similar decisions across the country in the coming years.

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