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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:28 pm 
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This past weekend, I met my son's girlfriend (first one he's told us about in almost a decade) ... and I kept wishing I dared to ask her what her type was! Just so I could predict whether they'd actually stay together or not. And that's stupid and I know it... but I worry about him being alone so much.

And now he won't be. :) But since he's an INTJ, the Kiersey book says he'd go with an NF much better than any other sort. And I couldn't tell during our brief interaction what her type is. :bang: And I managed not to ask, so marvel at my restraint. :P :D

I suppose it will become apparent later on.... but I want to know NOW! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:34 pm 
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But since he's an INTJ, the Kiersey book says he'd go with an NF much better than any other sort.


While I think the reasoning behind the pairings stuff made decent sense, it's good to keep in mind that it is a veeeeeeeery general guideline and that people from any types can form great long-lasting relationships.

For me, as another INTx, I have no idea if NFs would be "best" for me, but I have noticed that I tend to be most attracted to SPs. Of course, what's attractive and what's good for you aren't always necessarily the same.....

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:51 pm 
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Hey, I know I really shouldn't place much reliance on that... my own husband is an ISTP. Quite physical and his eyes tend to glaze over when abstract concepts come up. We still get along great.

But it was in a book! It must be true! :salmon: *whops self with fish*


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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:37 am 
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Well, it'll be fun to see if you can figure her type out as you get to know her better.

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:55 am 
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I find this vaguely disconcerting. It's not like people have a physical, objective type that one can discover, like a secret tattoo. I do see a value in observing people and noticing if they are more likely to respond to emotional or logical approach, for example, but it also helps to remember that the answer will vary by situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:06 pm 
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Maria wrote:
But it was in a book! It must be true! :salmon: *whops self with fish*


:rofl:


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I find this vaguely disconcerting. It's not like people have a physical, objective type that one can discover, like a secret tattoo. I do see a value in observing people and noticing if they are more likely to respond to emotional or logical approach, for example, but it also helps to remember that the answer will vary by situation.


True, that. And does an "F" respond better to an emotional approach, if I am reading your example correctly? I thought the "F" or "T" designation came from the response to a situation, not the presentation of it.

I am, personally, much more a "T" at work, and able to handle situations there (even involving people! even people I care about!) much more in my head than my heart. In fact, "logical" is a descriptive I get tossed my way a lot at work. I have people consistently comment that I am kind (we have anonymous evaluations from our peers at the end of the year), and I am glad of that, but I always get "calm in a crisis, able to handle complex situations logically", etc., too.

In fact, I am nowhere else nearly as "F"- like as I am on messageboards. :) Can I be an "F" sometimes and a "T" others?

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:31 pm 
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Can I be an "F" sometimes and a "T" others?


Yes, of course. I think that's part of the objection some have to this classification system (or one of them, anyway). We all have the capability of responding in various ways depending on the situation (or our health, our hormones, our sleep deprivation, our perceptions, our training, etc.). It's why MBTI is just a loose guideline. I can be very T as well. I lived that way for decades, suppressing my F because I needed the T to survive. During that time, you all saw way more of my F than anyone else in RL, like anthy states above. I've got my F flag flying now, though, and I'm much more at peace with myself.

As far as determining whether two types will stay together, I think that's kind of impossible. People and relationships are way more complicated than that. I think you can identify some potential areas of conflict, as well as harmony, but you can't say an INTJ won't make it with an INTP. It could work; it might take more work than with another type, but you just don't know.

I have a thing for I/ESFJs. As an INFP, that's not really supposed to be the type I'm drawn to, but my brain didn't read the book. The vast majority of important, very close people in my life fall into this designation.

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
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Mr. Anth is an ESTP. In other words, everything opposite from me. And I'm crazy about him. :love:

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
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I've seen people people who say they are borderline I/E or J/P.

I think I maybe be borderline S/N. Otherwise why would I spend 16 hours a day on weekends needle felting and listening to audiobooks? I get bored when I just needlefelt, and I get restless when I'm just listening to audiobooks.

Put the two together, though, and I get absorbed for hours at a time. However, it has to be creative work. I spent several hours yesterday going through the wool and pulling out the fibers that were too coarse or too white for what I wanted to do, and I was distinctly unhappy with the task after just a couple of hours. Whereas if I'm actually making a thingy, I get lost in the story and the work until physical needs break me out of the trance.

So, it's possible I'm an I s/n FP. Keirsey calls the ISFP "the composer", which is part of the Artisan temperament group. Perhaps that's why I felt so.... freed when I finally stopped making utilitarian things out of wool and started making little sculptures out of it. There is significant cultural pressure to only make things that are useful or at least salable. Now that I'm ignoring that and making things that please me, I'm happier.

I think I've been suppressing the Artisan side of myself for a very long time.

And perhaps this whole personality type thing is too simplistic for everyone. :help:


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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
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I do think it's best used as a general guide. We are all free to utilize the opposite functions, and many of us actually enjoy pushing the boundaries of our personalities. I don't know. Sometimes it's good to know why your natural tendency is one thing and accept that about yourself, but sometimes it's good to push yourself out of your comfort zone. I guess it's a fine line.

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
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I've always considered the best thing about M-B is the opportunity it affords to say, Ah ha! I'm not freakishly unique!

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 Post subject: Re: Myers-Briggs, redux
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I would agree with that, too, Impy.

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