The Obama Phenomenon and the 2008 Presidential Campaign
Oh, I know that "lying weasel" != "bitch". No, I won't call Hillary that. Yes, a lot of people hate her for sexist reasons. A lot. But there are also people who dislike her for what I would consider completely legit reasons. It's sometimes hard to separate the two, also.
Yeah, I guess "icy" is used more with women than men. I've never heard someone called an ice king! That said, I sure would use some negative adjective to describe Hillary regarding this meeting with Cooper.
Huckabee is not going to be the nominee! Unless there are some goofy brokered convention things going on. It's also hard to see Romney getting a clear majority of delegates, though maybe he'll get some crazy momentum after his possible better than expected showing tonight.
Honestly, I think Obama is unstoppable. I'm okay with that.
Yeah, I guess "icy" is used more with women than men. I've never heard someone called an ice king! That said, I sure would use some negative adjective to describe Hillary regarding this meeting with Cooper.
Huckabee is not going to be the nominee! Unless there are some goofy brokered convention things going on. It's also hard to see Romney getting a clear majority of delegates, though maybe he'll get some crazy momentum after his possible better than expected showing tonight.
Honestly, I think Obama is unstoppable. I'm okay with that.
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Actually, that's a really good example, because I have definitely heard "icy" used as a complimentary term about men (in the same sort of way that it is said that they have "nerves of steel").Faramond wrote:Yeah, I guess "icy" is used more with women than men. I've never heard someone called an ice king!
I think there is a good chance that the primary and caucuses are going to be so evenly split that it will come down to Clinton's advantage in the super-delegates. And that, I think, would be a shame.Honestly, I think Obama is unstoppable. I'm okay with that.
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No, on the whole he would be called either a nether orifice or a generative organ- including by other politicians. This sort of dealing would be right at home in Tom DeLay's playbook- who deserves any and all the above epithets.I read the Brooks piece. I do find myself wondering if a male politician employing similar tactics would ever have been criticized for doing it; or if instead people would admire his manly forcefulness.
I have a couple of good friends who worked as Hill staffers during the Clinton years- and while the press seemed to be amazed 'charming' Bill couldn't get a Democratic congress to cooperate when he had one, it was no surprise at all to the staffers- because what Brooks described was SOP in the early Clinton days.
Another friend (DCPD, Secret Service liason) had numerous occasions to observe the Clintons at first hand: a shocking contrast to the ever-considerate elder Bushes, the Clintons were disdainful, rude, and sometimes abusive to perceived 'underlings.'
I've also never forgiven Hillary for forcing the White House Naval Attache to serve canapes like a bloody waiter....
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And yet Tom DeLay had a successful political career for quite a while.
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Clinton’s victories seem fairly concentrated to the areas she has a connection to – in and around New York, and in and around Arkansas. It seems she’s going backwards elsewhere, which is a concern for her campaign. We can’t make any judgements until California, though.
McCain is heading for a big night. He might not get over the line today, but he’s pulled ahead as a clear frontrunner. The GOP might not be heading for a brokered convention after all. What's stopping him now is Huckabee's pesky habit of winning a lot of delegates in the (crucial) south.
McCain is heading for a big night. He might not get over the line today, but he’s pulled ahead as a clear frontrunner. The GOP might not be heading for a brokered convention after all. What's stopping him now is Huckabee's pesky habit of winning a lot of delegates in the (crucial) south.
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Interesting exit poll results in California:
Unsurprisingly, black Democrats have gone overwhelmingly for Obama. Rather more surprisingly white Dems have also gone for Obama over Clinton by a small but significant margin.
But on the other hand:
Latinos- 2:1 Clinton
Asians- 3:1 Clinton.
An intersting twist on racial politics, 2008 style.
Unsurprisingly, black Democrats have gone overwhelmingly for Obama. Rather more surprisingly white Dems have also gone for Obama over Clinton by a small but significant margin.
But on the other hand:
Latinos- 2:1 Clinton
Asians- 3:1 Clinton.
An intersting twist on racial politics, 2008 style.
Huck hasn't won Georgia or Missouri yet; in fact, McCain currently leads in Mizzou.The GOP might not be heading for a brokered convention after all. What's stopping him now is Huckabee's pesky habit of winning a lot of delegates in the (crucial) south.
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I'm so pleased it wasn't a runaway for Obama, as people seemed to be talking about. Of all the candidates who spoke tonight, I thought Hillary was the best. I believe her to be sincere and compassionate, and I felt excited and moved by her speech; I totally reject all this Hillary hatred, and a sweep for Obama would have seemed like a win for that hatred to me. I'm glad this will go on, so that people will continue to have a chance to further assess all of the candidates.
Obama struck me as always, as alot of style and charisma, but without the substance Hillary has. I thought E. J. Dionne had a good column talking about the differences in their campaigns, and he hit on what bothers me about the Obama campaign -- it's almost religious in nature. I don't need someone to usher in Paradise on earth for me, all I need is someone who can help reverse some of the horrors of the last eight years, and get the country back on the right track.
Obama struck me as always, as alot of style and charisma, but without the substance Hillary has. I thought E. J. Dionne had a good column talking about the differences in their campaigns, and he hit on what bothers me about the Obama campaign -- it's almost religious in nature. I don't need someone to usher in Paradise on earth for me, all I need is someone who can help reverse some of the horrors of the last eight years, and get the country back on the right track.
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For the second time in a row, I have to agree wholeheartedly with Cerin (especially having just heard Obama speak, and feeling utterly...distanced from the enchantment so many seem to feel with his ethereal promise of "change").
I won't just survive
Oh, you will see me thrive
Can't write my story
I'm beyond the archetype
I won't just conform
No matter how you shake my core
'Cause my roots, they run deep, oh
When, when the fire's at my feet again
And the vultures all start circling
They're whispering, "You're out of time,"
But still I rise
This is no mistake, no accident
When you think the final nail is in, think again
Don't be surprised, I will still rise
Oh, you will see me thrive
Can't write my story
I'm beyond the archetype
I won't just conform
No matter how you shake my core
'Cause my roots, they run deep, oh
When, when the fire's at my feet again
And the vultures all start circling
They're whispering, "You're out of time,"
But still I rise
This is no mistake, no accident
When you think the final nail is in, think again
Don't be surprised, I will still rise
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California: Called for Clinton and McCain. The big enchilada.
I'm not sure whom this is a bigger win for. This cements McCain's status as crown prince. For Clinton, it shows that she still has the party machinery to beat down the Obama insurgency.
And Missouri (58, WTA) to McCain. Romney is finished. Huckabee was never a contender- just a southern spoiler.
Now- with the Dem race still tight, how long I wonder before Hillary starts taking the low road?
I'm not sure whom this is a bigger win for. This cements McCain's status as crown prince. For Clinton, it shows that she still has the party machinery to beat down the Obama insurgency.
And Missouri (58, WTA) to McCain. Romney is finished. Huckabee was never a contender- just a southern spoiler.
Now- with the Dem race still tight, how long I wonder before Hillary starts taking the low road?
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Well, I just looked at the county by county results of what returns are in so far California, and McCain is leading in every single county. ALL of them. It's a bloodbath for Romney.
If this across the board lead for McCain holds up in the congressional districts then he will win nearly all of the 170 Republican delegates in CA. Though these districts have been gerrymandered within an inch of their lives, so who knows?
If this across the board lead for McCain holds up in the congressional districts then he will win nearly all of the 170 Republican delegates in CA. Though these districts have been gerrymandered within an inch of their lives, so who knows?
CO went to Obama, but I think CNN knew that before I even came home from my precinct's caucus (our captain called in our results as soon as we had them). In my precinct, six of our seven delegates went to Obama. The other one went to Clinton. By the time the meeting officially began, most of us had been waiting for two hours and we all just wanted to go home. I think there will be many stern letters sent to the Colorado Democrats demanding a primary next time around.
I'm going to my county's convention in March as an alternate delegate for Obama and a full delegate for Mark Udall, who, after many excellent terms (my opinion, of course ) as Congressman, is taking on the Senate. Hopefully the convention will be better organized than the county's caucuses were. That was a bloody disaster. Though, to be fair, turnout was record. My precinct caucused in a gym because, even with people standing, they couldn't pack all 120 of us into the high school classroom we were originally placed in.
I'm going to my county's convention in March as an alternate delegate for Obama and a full delegate for Mark Udall, who, after many excellent terms (my opinion, of course ) as Congressman, is taking on the Senate. Hopefully the convention will be better organized than the county's caucuses were. That was a bloody disaster. Though, to be fair, turnout was record. My precinct caucused in a gym because, even with people standing, they couldn't pack all 120 of us into the high school classroom we were originally placed in.
How long, I wonder, before solicitr starts in with the Hillary bashing?solicitr wrote:Now- with the Dem race still tight, how long I wonder before Hillary starts taking the low road?
Perhaps I'll keep a running count. That should be fun. Or maybe we should have a pool -- how many times will solicitr trash Hillary before she becomes President? Closest without going over wins . . .
. . . we'll think of something.
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I wonder, will it be more than the number of times you trash Bush before he leaves office?Cerin wrote:How long, I wonder, before solicitr starts in with the Hillary bashing?solicitr wrote:Now- with the Dem race still tight, how long I wonder before Hillary starts taking the low road?
Perhaps I'll keep a running count. That should be fun. Or maybe we should have a pool -- how many times will solicitr trash Hillary before she becomes President? Closest without going over wins . . .
. . . we'll think of something.
I think that would make a good side bet.