Desolation of Smaug reviews

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Well-written and interesting article by Michael Martinez...

How Much Padding is There in Peter Jackson’s “Hobbit” Trilogy?

He seems to have less problems with the additional material than what has been cut, certainly with DoS.
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That was an interesting perspective (thanks for posting).
Interesting point about the length of the book vs. the length of the story (particularly since the opposite is true of most books):

Michael Martinez wrote:The book is shorter than the story, if that makes sense. Tolkien glosses over a lot of events that, in a work like The Lord of the Rings, would be given full authorial attention.
It supports the original intention of making two films to tell the story, where I thought one should be sufficient.
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My pleasure, Gorthaur - and yes, 2 films (not 3!) ;)

btw, tsmith675 over on TORn reminds us of the conversation between Frodo and Gloin at the Council of Elrond: (bolding mine)
In chapter 1 of Book 2 of FotR, Many Meetings, Frodo is having a conversation with Gloin. Gloin is telling him what's been going on with the dwarves and brings up Dale. He speaks of building fountains, pools, halls, etc. And Frodo says the funniest line in the book, now after seeing DoS. He says:

"How surprised Bilbo would have been to see all the changes in the Desolation of Smaug!"

I got a huge chuckle out of this. It's almost as if it's somehow foretelling the changes made to the second movie of the Hobbit. This is not at all to be taken seriously, nor am I putting the changes of the film down in any way, as I am a huge fan of the film. I just found this incredibly hilarious!
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Elentári wrote:"How surprised Bilbo would have been to see all the changes in the Desolation of Smaug!"
lol. That explains much!
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Further to the discussion on why the Lake-town people don't/won't help the abandoned Dwarves, I've just seen this comment on TORn:
I'm convinced there's a missing scene here that hopefully we'll get in the EE to explain this. One reason I think there's a missing scene is because Fili and Kili were wearing armor at the docks, and presumably were outfitted with weapons like the rest of the company was. By the time they show up at Bard's door they are stripped down to "normal" clothes and apparently weaponless.
Did anyone else notice any change of costume? I didn't notice but if it's true then it could help smooth out that part of the storyline.
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Good catch. I hope that is resolved. Perhaps the Master and Alfrid, in front of the crowd, strip them of their ceremonial belongings, and openly treat them as outcast dwarves - unluckly pariahs or something? Would be dumb for the master to do this, especially if he wants to remain in Thorin's good graces, but I can see it happening...

However, something tells me that such a scene will not make it into the EE...
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Not only that, but it isn't necessary, as it is implied. ;)
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Ah, yes. Bofur's "noone will help us" implies that the Master of the city made a very odd, illogical decision to openly treat the dwarves as pariahs (despite treating their companions as returning heroes), and then advises the townspeople to shun them, or face punitive measures...

I mean, obviously. ;)
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I'm glad you are finally seeing sense on this issue. 8)
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You are the Master. Resistance is futile. 8)
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Saw this elsewhere and had to share...it's absolutely hilarious!

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Funny!

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