All things concerning Azog and Bolg

Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:22 am

Yup, guaranteed that's Bolg.

Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:01 am

Yup, gotta be.

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:17 am

Maybe Bolg is about to kill Legolas, and Beorn saves the day, thus beginning a subtle romantic subplot between the beauty (Legolas) and the beast (Beorn), that carries over into movie 4?

Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:38 am

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:47 am

I can see it now. Legolas getting annoyed at Beorn for playfully ruffling his beautiful blonde hair, but secretly loving it.

Post by **anthriel** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Voronwë the Faithful wrote:Oh wow! I wish Gandalf's Mother, the author of the classic TORC thread "Aragorn and Lurtz: A Sexual encounter" (I would link to it, but those old TORC threads are now a formatting mess), could see that!

Wow, I did not realize that was started by Gandalf'sMother! He was a pretty unique guy.

I remember that thread well... it had some pretty good points, actually.

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:48 pm

Oh, Gandalf's Mum. Such a silly person!

Post by **anthriel** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:50 pm

Silly? Well, maybe sometimes.

Although I quite enjoyed his always well-thought out viewpoints!

Whistler commented on that thread. I miss Whistler.

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:07 pm

anthriel wrote:Silly? Well, maybe sometimes. Although I quite enjoyed his always well-thought out viewpoints!

Whistler commented on that thread. I miss Whistler.

I know GM well, and believe me. That's a compliment! He likes being silly.

Whistler was a marvel, as was Hama. I wonder what they're up to?

Post by **anthriel** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:15 pm

OOOooo, you lucky duck. I would like to know GM better!

Post by **kzer_za** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:21 pm

As much as I dislike Legolas in the movies, I'm actually glad he has an equal opponent in Bolg. I hope Legolas isn't the one to kill him.

Bolg is an unusually competent orc, by the way. He beats up Leggy, is capable of stealth, good with a bow, and sticks to his mission.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:52 pm

Passdagas the Brown wrote:Whistler was a marvel, as was Hama. I wonder what they're up to?

Whistler was, of course, one of the founders of this site, and a big part of why it is the kind of place that it is. I am still in touch with him occasionally.

Post by **Smaug's voice** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:18 pm

Passdagas the Brown wrote:Oh, Gandalf's Mum. Such a silly person!

I have seen many of the threads by GM on TORC! I found them very funny and yet witty.

Post by **Beutlin** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:23 pm

Passdagas the Brown wrote:Oh, Gandalf's Mum. Such a silly person!

"Recognizing oneself and being of a sound mind are for all men."

Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:38 pm

kzer_za wrote:As much as I dislike Legolas in the movies, I'm actually glad he has an equal opponent in Bolg. I hope Legolas isn't the one to kill him.

Bolg is an unusually competent orc, by the way. He beats up Leggy, is capable of stealth, good with a bow, and sticks to his mission.

The most frightening thing about Bolg is his mission discipline. Thorin's gone? Walk away. Legolas occupied with minions? Walk away.

Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Beutlin wrote:
Passdagas the Brown wrote:Oh, Gandalf's Mum. Such a silly person!
"Recognizing oneself and being of a sound mind are for all men."

Wise words!

Post by **Smaug's voice** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:37 pm

I think one of the main reasons why I dislike Azog's design and think that he is out of place in the movies, is because he looks completely non-human.

I mean, orcs are supposed to be the mutated versions of Elves. the LotR-orcs while appearing more humane, also looked like a mocked version of Elves. Which, to me, made them 'real'.
While Azog, with his bald head, button-eyes, and super-smooth skin makes him unlike any being on ME. He actually looks like an alien, to me at least.

http://www.thelandofshadow.com/wp-conte ... -well.jpeg

does not look like

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4l2t ... o1_500.gif

while this does

http://www.allmystery.de/i/thNL7Z8_lurtz_blu_tint.JPG

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:18 pm

Azog certainly looks humanoid to me. IMO, he and Bolg are the best-designed orcs across all five films.

Post by **Smaug's voice** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:22 pm

Passdagas the Brown wrote:Azog certainly looks humanoid to me. IMO, he and Bolg are the best-designed orcs across all five films.

Well, I didn't say he isn't humanoid. But I think he doesn't look like something that was (or whose ancestors were) once an Elf. It's subjective of course.
And the only other reason I don't like is his smooth skin. It just sticks out as something unnatural (w.r.t. orcs I mean)

Post by **Passdagas the Brown** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:28 pm

Well, Tolkien never quite settled whether or not orcs were actually corrupted elves. It was a philosophical conundrum for him. In later years, he seemed to lean towards corrupted beasts.

Also, Tolkien wrote briefly about "Boldogs." Orcs who were not orcs, but minor Maiar spirits in the guise of great orcs.

I see Azog that way.

I really dislike the "people in elaborate Halloween costumes" look of the LOTR orcs, and am glad PJ went in this direction for TH.