TORN Exclusive: Guillermo Del Toro departs “The Hobbit”

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This is an interesting idea...I've seen Branagh suggested for an acting role (which I quite agree with) but as director? Worth a thought or two!

A name came to my mind quite quickly when i heard of Del Toro’s departure, but i haven’t so far seen his name mentioned in connection with the job. Quite why, i’m not sure, but i feel that Kenneth Branagh may be the obvious solution that so far everyone has missed.

Branagh is best known for literary adaptations. He has made several movies based on the work of another great author, that being one William Shakespeare. These movies have also covered the same ground as The Hobbit. Big battles, personal conflicts, set in a historical period. I guess technically Middle Earth isn’t part of real history, but you get my point.
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It's a great idea. Unfortunately, like most great ideas, it probably won't happen. But we can hope!
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From Ian McKellen's twitter account a couple of hours ago:
"Hobbit" sets are ready, script ready and movie is casting this month. Fans are not to worry.
And then:
The films will get made. I suspect we'll start shooting at end of this year.
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Of course, he doesn't say who is actually going to be overseeing that shooting. Without that little detail, I'm not sure how valuable this is. Still it is encouraging so far as it goes (except to those who want the films to be "scuppered" altogether).
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If they're casting this month, they either know who's going to direct or they really are bringing in someone just to run a machine someone else built. I would think any director would want some voice in casting.
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<halofirian slips into philosophical quicksand:>

So Teremia is two degrees of separation from GdT, but Anne is still, seems to me (or, rather, to her), several degrees farther away from Guillermo del Toro. Yes?

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Primula Baggins wrote:If they're casting this month, they either know who's going to direct or they really are bringing in someone just to run a machine someone else built. I would think any director would want some voice in casting.
My best guess is that they have known who is going to direct -- and that it wasn't going to be GdT -- for some time now. Which probably points to it being PJ.

But maybe not.
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<throws Teremia a rope, but hasn't got one with sufficient physical reality for Anne>

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Ang Lee would have made a decent fist of it in my view.
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He probably would. His Sense and Sensibility is by far the best big-screen Austen adaptation, and it's also one of the most visually beautiful films I've ever seen.
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Prim! :nono:

Persuasion was SO much better than Sense and Sensibility!
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Now, tsk, tsk.

On reflection I would say they're much closer than I implied. Amanda Peet is amazing in Persuasion; her ability to tell pages and pages of Austenian exposition with one significant glance is astonishing.

But I'm in love with S&S the film in a way that I'm not with P the film, which is quite different from how I feel about the books. P the book is beautiful, autumnal, melancholy—it touches me in a way S&S the book does not, where the heroines are young and (to some extent) oblivious. Yet the film lifts the book higher for me. Maybe it's partly just Emma Thompson, who is so totally not twenty or whatever dreadful age Elinor is in the book. In other words, her desperation makes more sense in the film than it does in the book.

And (here's the purist in me emerging) I have a couple of problems with P in terms of (a) the naval officers wearing their uniforms while off duty (they didn't!, dammit) and (b) his PDA with her at the end. They wouldn't, dammit!

It certainly doesn't wreck the film for me; I love it, I rewatch it regularly. But it weakens it.
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But what did your inner purist make of the Disneyland treehouse, hm? And all that bright cleanliness -- your i. p. was ok with that, too?

Emma Thompson is adorable, yes yes of course, but I loved the authentically dim dinner scenes of Persuasion. And it was just so much more romantic, and, and, and . . . . swoons.
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I saw those two film back to back when they came out. I fully expected to love S&S and be meh about P, but no -- absolutely the other way around.

I still respect you, though. ;)
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The Hall of Ang Lee Angst ===> that way. ;)

Besides, Clueless was better than either one. Once you scrape the pesky periodicity off the stories are pretty decent.

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Just a reminder that we are talking about del Toro leaving The Hobbit, not Ang Lee or Austin adaptations.
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I love S & S, liked P

Back to topic, sounds to me like PJ is taking over with GdT departure. Perhaps we will know the casting sometime within the next month.
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If Anne needs a rope, Frelga can drop one off. =:)

On topic. Anyone wants to start a betting pool? My money is on PJ.
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No bet here. I think Voronwë is right and this has been coming for a while. PJ is also the one director who can step into the project already knowing it from the inside out, and already having ownership. He's also sure to be acceptable to the studio. Anyone else, no matter how eminent and talented, would be an increased risk for the project, relatively speaking.

I'm not talking here about whether PJ is the best director for the job in an esthetic sense. I just think he's the obvious choice from a practical standpoint, given that GdT has left.

About which I am still bummed. :(
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I forget - why didn't PJ just do it in the first place?
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He said that he had too many other committments, and that he didn't want to compete against what he had already accomplished in Middle-earth.
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