I'm trying to think. I suspect some of the Thorongil stuff was only mentioned in UT, but it may have been in the Appendices also.Is there anything in the LotR movies which wasn't in the book but which was in one of the other books?
Any thoughts?
I'm trying to think. I suspect some of the Thorongil stuff was only mentioned in UT, but it may have been in the Appendices also.Is there anything in the LotR movies which wasn't in the book but which was in one of the other books?
However, each of these is covered in the Appendices to the Lord of the Rings, including a condensed version of The Quest of Erebor (which was orig. intended for Appendix A). Virtually all we know about "Thorongil" likewise comes from Appendix A, and the comment on Denethor's jealousy in UT really just repeats what is said there.In the context of The Hobbit, this would be things like the the finding of Thrain in the dungeons of the Necromancer, which while mentioned in The Hobbit is much more fully fleshed out in UT. Likewise, most of the White Council activities are only alluded to in The Hobbit. Aragorns sojourn with Ecthelion and Thengel as Thorongil would also be leaving the path of the Hobbit (so to speak). The chance meeting of Gandalf and Thorin would be another such episode that would add to The Hobbit, but is only in UT.
Ring of Barahir: Although its existence is mentioned in the LR, the description Grima gives of it unquestionably is not- I had forgotten that. Of course the Estate made no fuss (actually, CRT has never seen TT in its theatrical form, much less the EE).The 2 Trees Tapestry in Arwen's room
The Ring of Barahir
"the grace of the Valar"
the lamps carried by the elves as they leave Rivendell are similiar to the Feanorian lamps described in the Sil.
The Doors of Durin which include the star of Fëanor, though I know this taken directly from Tolkien's illustration
Merry and Pippin's Noldorian knives
There's a little more, from Treebeard:solicitr wrote:As far as I recall, the only 'import' from other writing in the script is Saruman's origin-of-Orcs speech, since LR has nothing to say on the subject other than Frodo's speculation that Sauron had warped rather than created them- but from what stock he never attempts to guess.
Which the Estate won't. Not even for Jo Rowling money. Trust me on this.The only way it could be done, I suppose, is for whoever is producing the film to approach the Estate with the alternatives: 'We can do it canon and pay you lots of money, or make up a whole new backstory ourselves,' and see whether the Estate caves in.
In these days of the Internet, and privately produced collectors’ items for sale on eBay, we must make it as clear as possible that the Tolkien Estate never has, and never will authorize the commercialisation or distribution of any works of this type.
The Estate exists to defend the integrity of J.R.R. Tolkien’s writings. Christopher Tolkien's work as his father’s literary executor has always been to publish as faithfully and honestly as possible his father's completed and uncompleted works, without adaptation or embellishment.
It's useless to speculate without knowledge of the relevant documents. In any event the Court has statutory powers to appoint new executors.solicitr wrote:That's a really vexed question, not least because it involves a lot of things I don't know, like modern British estate law (as opposed to common-law probate), the impact if any of French law (where CRT is domiciled), and the not-well-known structure of the Estate's holdings.
Prior to 1999 it was pretty straightforward, the Estate of JRR Tolkien was a single entity and Christopher was The Man, and could pass on his executorship by will (JRRT's other fiscal executor was his lawyer Frank Williamson, and his firm (Manches) will presumably stay on).
In 1999 however the Estate turned into a multiplicity of interlocking entities, including the Tolkien Trust, the Tolkien Copyright Trust, and the Tolkien Company Ltd. I *think* that this last is the umbrella group, the holding company if you will. It's run by a three-member board at present: CRT, his wife Baillie, and Michael's son Michael. When CRT passes to Mandos the most likely outcome is that the surviving board members will elect his second son Adam (but there's no guarantee- especially since elder son Simon, a lawyer, might choose to raise a stink).
’Upon Trust to allow my son Christopher full access to the same in order that he may act as my Literary Executor with full power to publish edit alter rewrite or complete any work of mine which may be unpublished at my death or to destroy the whole or any part or parts of any such unpublished works as he in his absolute discretion may think fit and subject thereto’