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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:55 am 
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Hmmm? I'm Prime member, and it tells me it is $9.99 for the Kindle version.


Huh, you are right. Must have been a limited time deal when I got it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:24 pm 
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Well, at least you can search through your free Kindle version of the Sil to find the quote! ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:28 pm 
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Is this after the silmaril was recovered from Morgoth?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:29 pm 
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No, long before that.

Edit to add: It is, at least to me, one of the most poignant moments in the book.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:03 am 
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Bringing the quote here:

Recalling the sympathy of some of the high speed shaft of a feather of the King of all birds, people love!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:44 am 
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Is it Yavanna?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:01 am 
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Nope, though that is a good guess. Later than that in the story. And remember that I said that the person being spoken to was not present even though re responded. Man we was in Valinor at the time this took place. The speaker was not.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:21 pm 
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So, hang on:

Manwë was in Valinor when your quote was spoken.Was not physically present when the speaker spoke, but he did respond to the speaker.

So your quote was not spoken in Valinor.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:26 pm 
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Was it spoken by Tuor?

Also, were you present when it was spoken?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:20 pm 
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No and no. Much earlier. But it was spoken by someone who eventually would be related to Tuor by marriage.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:21 pm 
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Fingon wrote:
"O King to whom all birds are dear, speed now this feathered shaft, and recall some pity for the Noldor in their need!"

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:51 pm 
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That's it. Manwë responded, of course, by sending Thorondor so that Fingon could rescue Maedhros from his imprisonment upon Thangorodrim rather than killing him to put him out of his misery.

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New quote:

Quote:
I thought birds and beasts. Was a call or signal-could not understand the words they were screaming.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:16 am 
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Is it one of the Hobbits as they are being chased by the a Ringwraith?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:35 am 
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Yes! Can you find the a quote?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:16 am 
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Probably. I remember most of it. "There were words in it" always gave me chills. Need to get the books, though.

Eta: it was easier than I thought. It's Frodo.

It was not bird or beast. It was a call, or a signal - there were words in that cry, though I could not catch them.

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That's the one!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:14 am 
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Next quote

Either way, he is not magical, but myself.

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‘There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’
‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’
‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.’
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 pm 
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Is this spoken by Gandalf about Tom Bombadil?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:09 pm 
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Half right.

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