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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:37 pm 
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Not gonna see this film after the last one made the original series, let alone the prequels, utterly pointless


In fairness, the prequels were utterly pointless at launch! ;)

Do yourself a favour Anduril. Leave your preconceptions at home and go have a blast in an original Star Wars movie. It's a rare enough experience.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:44 pm 
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Di, those crystal foxes are now my favorite fantastic beast of all times.

One of the reasons I enjoyed this movie, and TFA, so much more than the first six is that those are very pointedly made for young males. Here, we had adult women in position of power, exerting this power with quiet dignity and courage. We DON'T have inane banter and posturing, but we do have characters genuinely devoted to each other. Rey fits with the recent crop of "strong = violent" heroines, but Rose is a step up, capable of using force when necessary, but that's not her main point. I even liked Solo in TFA, when he only irritated me in the original series.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:58 pm 
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Do yourself a favour Anduril. Leave your preconceptions at home and go have a blast in an original Star Wars movie. It's a rare enough experience.


Or just admit that Star Wars were always dumb, silly little movies and if you're not interested in these new ones then you've probably grown past the whole goofy thing. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:19 pm 
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Do yourself a favour Anduril. Leave your preconceptions at home and go have a blast in an original Star Wars movie. It's a rare enough experience.

Rare? There's going to be one every year, quite possibly for the rest of our lives. ;) Why did we ever need more than three Star Wars movies? It's hard not to get burnout when the marketing, hype, and even backlash are on an endless short cycle. Even the prequels at least were spaced out over a decade so we got some break from it.

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Naturally, the fanboys are now claiming he was forced by studio pressure to issue an apology. I despair of my fellow geeks sometimes.

As Anduril said, "forced" is probably too strong a word. But it is not common for people in film to openly criticize a project they worked on and not outlandish to think he might walk it back primarily to keep good relations in the industry. Maybe he's also come to accept Luke's role more with time too though - it could be a mix of both.

Anyway, I don't think the Ars Technica article really addresses the movie's fundamental narrative issues. I don't even mean "plot holes" per se (though some are pretty big) so much as an incredibly messy and unfocused structure. There's a major subplot that goes nowhere and the "fifth act" on the salt planet really wasn't necessary - Luke could have shown up earlier and to have things go on so long after Laura Dern's sacrifice kind of dilutes its effect. Also it basically resets the Star Wars universe to rebels vs. empire while talking a big game about letting go of the past. It's a pity, because I do think there's a potential for a good or great movie mostly around Rey and Kylo with some more trimming and revision on the script.

The originals certainly have their faults and I'm not as attached to them as I used to be, though I'll still put ESB down as one of the great blockbusters. But I don't think they're the same in kind as the problems with the prequels and this movie (no, I'm not saying TLJ is as bad as the prequels). Most Marvel movies have tighter plotting, and I don't even like Marvel all that much.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:13 pm 
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Rare? There's going to be one every year, quite possibly for the rest of our lives.


Maybe going forward, but so far there's been 9 movies in 40 years and six of those were in the first 38 years ;)

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I even liked Solo in TFA, when he only irritated me in the original series.


I know Ford is embarrassed by the early SW movies. I remember a quote from an interview he did a long time ago, when the interviewer said he liked the movies, and wanted to know why Ford didn't. He said something about "that's not your 20 year old face up there on the screen!"

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Do yourself a favour Anduril. Leave your preconceptions at home and go have a blast in an original Star Wars movie. It's a rare enough experience.


"The burned hand teaches best. After that, advice about fire goes to the heart." -- Gandalf


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:48 pm 
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So did anyone see Solo? I heard the opening weekend wasn't great and I'm wondering how the true fans feel about it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 2:33 am 
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I just got back from seeing it. I don't consider myself a true fan but I have thought the three new movies so far have been a lot of fun, and I saw it with someone who is a true fan, and we were both in agreement - that was not a good movie.

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The New Yorker review is titled Portrait of the Pilot as a Young Jock.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Hoping to see it tomorrow night in the Flix Brewhouse. That way if its not good I can get drunk and not care!

That said, friends of mine put it in the same league as Rogue One, which I loved.

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