Shichinin no Samurai

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Shichinin no Samurai

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Going though this forum, it just occurred to me that we don’t have a Seven Samurai thread. I just watched the film for the second time, so it’s on my mind.

On TORC, when I first saw it, I wrote:
Overall, I found it a good film that was very skillfully done, although I wouldn�t call it brilliant. Chiefly, I thought it advanced a bit slowly; there was a little too much repetition and it didn’t really need all of its three and a half hours IMHO.

However, there is a lot to praise here.

Firstly, it has some of the best executed action scenes I have ever seen. I am one to complain constantly about lack of realism and sillyness in fights, but here it was well done, and those action scenes are just so much better for it IMHO. Kyuzo’s skill with a sword is evident not because he gets into huge flashy fights but because of the way he cuts down enemies smoothly and with economy of motion. In reality, a swordsman would avoid trying to slice and dice his enemies, especially one using a katana. A wound a few centimeters deep on one’s neck is enough to kill, and it only needs to be a little deeper in the chest. Likewise, even non-fatal wounds often take people down because of pain and blood loss. Also, there was a notable absence of overblown sword-on-sword action, which I found refreshing; in my experience, blows that fail to hit simply miss more often than they are blocked. Hence, I found the swordsmanship of the Samurai very interesting to watch.

Also, and much to Kurosawa’s credit, there was no stormtrooper syndrome. Absolutely none at all. The bandits fight well, and are not easy to take down, and they cleverly use their guns against the samurai. Likewise, the samurai themselves are not immune to bullet wounds. This realism created a real sense of tension in the battle scenes for me. Also, I find it interesting that all the samurai who perish end up falling to guns.

I generally liked how the Samurai were acted, but I thought the farmers were a little overacted at times. Still, I have never seen how ordinary people react to situations like that, so Kurosawa could be spot on.

The quality of the film was a bit of an issue, but my chief complaint was simply the slowness of the plot development; there could have been less Samurai-hunting scenes and less attacks on the village IMHO, likewise, some shots could have been held for a little less. Still, a great achievement as a film.
It actually rose in my estimation on second viewing. I began to see the purpose of every scene, and was able to appreciate even more the way that Kurosawa’s commitment to realism really draws you into the film. Above all, I really appreciate both how he doesn’t try to modernise his characters, and how he builds real suspense in his battle scenes through his incredibly realistic yet still precise and fairly easy to follow action choreography. I was also able to better keep track of the individual characters on the second viewing, and was more able to appreciate the particular strengths that each individual samurai bought to the group. It’s archetypal, but still extremely satisfying, and in my view an excellent example of how to make a good movie.
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I really need to watch this movie. I have only seen the western (The Magnificent Seven) and the anime (Samurai 7) based on it. IMDb has the interesting comment that the actor who played Kyuzo had never done any swordfighting before filming this movie, so the credit really does go to the director and/or choreographer for making it so convincing.

You, um, wouldn't like the anime :whistle: The 'realism' of the fighting samurai is completely gone - they are Jedi and their swords are basically lightsabers. Which is fun, too, I suppose. On, and since the bandits are giant transformer-like robots, I guess it was necessary. Kyuzo is still very much a strong, silent loner, and he has precision and economy of movement....but....not realistic fighting. They also do preserve the distinction between fighting with guns and swords, though the samurai manage to block bullets a lot..... sample fight scene

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One of the masterpieces of world cinema Lord M. It will repay constant rewatching. I saw a fragment of an analysis of the very beginning. The tutor stopped the movie at the frame where the brigands are about to gallop off after discussing the peasants' harvest. He asked his students which direction they would go. Then he set the film in motion again and showed them going in all directions. 'They represent Chaos' he said. Tremendous social insight into feudalism too.
I find you get a better chance of realistic fights in Japanese films than from any other tradition. Notice when one attack on the village is expected the leader holds his sword at the ready. His grip is as light as a feather.
As to length, I first saw it donkeys years ago in a very heavily abridged form and over the years have seen it in ever expanding cuts. Each addition made it better.
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The irony of The Magnificent Seven is that Kurosawa's own film was self-consciously a Western in kimonos, very deliberately reminiscent of John Ford classics like My Darling Clementine and The Searchers (which AK studied frame-by-frame). So in a way John Sturges was engaged in a re-importation.
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I have heard that Kurosawa was criticised by some more traditional Japanese directors for being too western in his approach. Still, he does not warp his characters to try to make them sympathetic to a western audience (or even a modern Japanese one) which I think is a huge strength of the film.

A modern western director would have probably allowed love to conquer all and for Katushiro to win Shino at the end. Kurosawa does not – the barriers of social class prove stronger. Similiarly, a modern western director would probably have had Kambei show mercy by rescuing the child without killing the obviously desperate thief, and not introduce Kyuzo by having him kill someone to prove a point. Kurosawa is not afraid to show, though, that human life was cheap to the Samurai. He also doesn’t have the Samurai prattle on about honour or bushido or some such thing – it would have been taken for granted (like the fact that we eat at restaurants with cutlery rather than our fingers, and having someone remind a group of adults about that would seem bizarre).

The up-shot is that we can buy completely into the world that he creates. It’s the epitome of ‘show, don’t tell’.
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